Talk:Ukraine/@comment-27066773-20151012083001/@comment-24682153-20151012201212

Hi Ipswitch. I knew when I added the Crimea, it was going to mean trouble. I put it in the most neutral words that I could think of. But the subsection was frequently changed by other users to either side. That's why I had to protect this article.

You know that their are very split opinions about the process in 2014. Most of the world sees it as an annexion, occupation or invasion, while Russia as a democratic vote of the people there. I don't want to take sides and this is not the place to sort this out.

So, what to do about the Crimea? It's now administered by Russian authorities; the phone system is governed by the Russian regulator with Russian companies. That's beyond any doubt.

But if we go with this reality alone and move Crimea over to the Russian article, then we are going to disobey international law. The UN and most of the world considers this step still illegal and don't consider Crimea part of the Russian Fed..

From an independent position you have to choose between two evils: Either you ignore reality or international law. It's a dilemma which can't be solved satisfactorily for both sides.

So I'd like to propose to take the Crimean Peninsula out of the Ukraine article and give it an own. We do this for some "special territories" like e.g. Gibraltar which is claimed by Spain. There will be references and links both in the Russia and the Ukraine articles to it and I hope both sides can live with it.