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Jobs to be done in December:

- completion of Latin America: Brazil (better order), Mexico, Peru  (update),

- updates of some African countries: South Africa, Namibia, new: The Seychelles

- check for updates and check updates

- in Winter: Australia is outdated, lots of Asia countries too, bad structure, few logos, no frequencies... will have to wait for winter, as the bulk of info is still ok. new countries to be added : Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos....

Hope and thanks for your cooperation

Wolfbln (talk) 16:48, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

TR Edit

It is really hard to understand the insistence about advertisement with same standard words on Turkey's page. I appreciate your efforts to warn him but as an employee, it is probably the most that he can do on editing his words. Glad to have this wiki about the world but sad to see that we always abuse something for a countable amount of money without respecting community's sensibility who managed to put this valuable information all together.94.122.109.18 21:08, November 24, 2014 (UTC)E

Thanks. But I believe to treat everybody equally. So I finally checked their website and their advertisment edit and took out the facts and put in in words like alldaywifi. It's a very similar product after all. Hope everybody is now satisfied. Wolfbln (talk) 16:48, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


PrimeTel is the cheapest and most convenient internet provider, it should be the first of the list, not the last.

Kenilchattiero (talk) 15:21, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

@ Kenilchattiero: I give you the reasons, why I put it in 3rd position on your Talk Page. In short: First (physical) operators, then MVNOs. This is no price ranking and you can argue if PrimeTel is really the cheapest.

Wolfbln (talk) 16:46, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

yah, you are right, actually PrimeTel is not so cheap, I mixed up the price for the abonement option with the prepaid...


But in general I think would be better to keep at the top the most convenient operator, (for price, coverage, speed and amount of data) instead of using other criteria, otherwise we just support the monopoly and cartel of mobile data.

62.228.51.157 18:27, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree. But what is "convenient"? Why is PrimeTel more convenient then Cyta? That is still unclear. Normally we put the biggest network of the country on top, the "market leader". That is because people want to have the best coverage, speed, availability a.s.o. first. This "market leader" has the most customers but often not the best price. Its competitors are mostly cheaper. MVNOs are sometimes much cheaper.

But there is no single country where the MVNO is mentioned before the network provider on which it is operating. This gives the possibility to characterise the network first and show later its MVNOs.

I think in (South) Cyprus, its undisputed that Cyta/Vodafone is market leader. PrimeTel a MVNO on its network. In some countries like Switzerland with many MVNOs we sort the operators according to network, but always the physical operator first. But in Cyprus PrimeTel is the only (mentioned) MVNO.

Last but not least: Tell me: Why is it "more convenient" than Cyta? As a MVNO it has the same coverage and speeds, let's say at similar rates. Does it have more sales points for the start-up SIM, does it have more recharge points than Cyta? I doubt that. So: What makes PrimeTel more "convenient" than Cyta?

I think for many travellers, the tourist SIM of Cyta may the more "convenient" solution. But again, this list IS NO RANKING and people are confused when there is an introduction in a complicated (as divided) country like Cyprus. There the 2 (physical) operators are named for the Greek part and then we start with an MVNO, it still does not make sense to me.

I have to say, I looked at PrimeTel more closely now and found this article: http://www.mvnodynamics.com/2014/02/10/mvno-mno-primetel-wins-3rd-mobile-licence-cyprus/

So PrimeTel will be a (physical) operator in Cyprus soon as they acquired a license. But only on 4G as far as I understand the article. On 2G and 3G it will keep on using Cyta. According to some other statistics MTN has more customers than Cyta, so it should be mentioned first in the country....

Do you agree that we charactise PrimeTel as MVNO as long it has no own network operating? As soon as it starts, it will be a physical (3rd) operator on 4G roaming on Cyta for 2G/3G.  So when it starts on 4G, PrimeTel may be a "monopolist" in Cyprus for 4G....

So put PrimeTel wherever you like in the country, but please not into the Turkish part :-)

Wolfbln (talk) 20:40, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Design redo Edit

Heya Wolfbin :)

I'm from Wikia's Community Development team, and I specialise in making wikias look a little bit better than when I found them :) I stumbled across your site today, and I thought it was great! See, i like wikias that push the envelope of what wikias can be. Don't get me wrong, as an admin at w:c:tardis, I like "traditional" fan sites. But I also really like wikias about subjects that matter to everyday life.

Back in September, I contacted the site's founder, User:Joskarsson, but he or she appear to be well and truly done with this place.

So, since you're the wikia's most active user, and, I suppose, effective admin, let me put the question to you now.

I was wondering if you would mind me giving your front page and general colour scheme a makeover? If you're okay with this, please let me know! Also, if you haveany ideas about the colour scheme you'd like to use, I'd love to hear them! Finally, I was wondering if we could maybe do something about the name of this wiki. It's very long and unwieldy. What do you think about just simcards.wikia.com or maybe prepaidsimcards.wikia.com. I think a simpler name would do wonders for your SEO by making it easier to find you. — CzechOut @fandom 05:45, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Hey again, Wolfbin :) So I've got some of the design elements in place, and I wanted to get your opinion on them. Please go to w:c:czechit and tell me what you think of the wordmark (logo in the upper left corner), colors and background. Everything's really based off the color of a SIM card itself, so hopefully you'll find that appropriate.
To make things simple, I created a logo that will allow us to name the wikia whatever we want later, but still work as a logo. At the end of the day, there are only two things of relevance to the identity of the wikia: a SIM chip itself and the acronym SIM. Everything else is just fat, in my opinion. What do you think?
The front page itself needs to have its content refactored. I've got some ideas which I've been playing around with. I'll try to get those in place tomorrow or over the weekend. Please let me know if you have any thoughts about that! — CzechOut @fandom 09:07, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
Hi CzechOut.
Good work. Please read my comments on your Talk Page. Can you give me an address where i can get in touch with your directly?
Wolfbln (talk) 11:37, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your response! There's a lot of detail to read through there and I think I've got an idea of what points you want to stress on the main page. I'll be taking a crack at that today, and will hopefully have something to show you soon. What I'm not seeing in your front page proposals, however, is any sort of inclusion for the dominant material that's currently on the main page. Namely, you've made no reference at all to having easy access to per-country information on the front page. Is this not something you feel would be valuable for your wikia?
Additionally, I just wanna be clear about what you mean by "Good work". Are you basically happy with the wordmark, background and general color scheme that I've got over at w:c:czechit? If so, I can move that over to this wiki now and we can then focus our energies on refactoring the actual content of the main page.
Finally, I'd prefer that communications happened in normal talk spaces or forums, just so that we can refer back to them here in future. Because I communicate with a number of wikias at any one time, it helps me stay less confused if the conversations occur where they are relevant. — CzechOut @fandom 21:06, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Name Edit

On the name thing, it's possible you don't know that you can have multiple names. So there's no reason you couldn't have a whole list of alternatives, so that people can find you whatever they locally call it. This helps tremendously in cases like yours where the colloquial varies in British and American English.

Still, you can have only one name which displays as the URL, and I wanna make sure that we fully explore the issue to find the best possible name. This site got 35k page views over the last week, which is pretty good — but I really feel that the number could be greatly increased if the name were even slightly more discoverable. There is no reason in the world that this wiki couldn't become a 100k+ wiki in 2015.

What worries me about the term prepaidwithdata is that the acronym sim isn't even present. There's no noun at all in the main URL. This makes it ambiguous. To my ears, prepaidwithdata begs the question, "Prepaid what?"

While it's true that changing the name would temporarily affect your SEO, the long term benefits of a name that actually included the main name of the topic — SIMs — would improve things. Plus, Wikia's excellent SEO optimisation means the downside won't last very long.

One of the key goals of SEO optimisation on the front page of our wikias is to go simple. The whole prepaid/pay as you go debate is simply not worth having in the site name and on the front page. What I think the site's founder was trying to do with the difference between the URL and sitename was to go American on the URL and British on the sitename, in the hopes that he'd catch both audiences.

Instead, a better strategy would probably be to avoid that fight altogether, and go for sim-cards-with-data.wikia.com and SIM Cards with Data Wiki for your sitename. Why a hyphenated name? Google sees each word when you insert hyphens and thus the wikia will be more discoverable. Indeed, that's why I'm recommending "SIM Cards" and not just "SIM", so that we avoid confusion with "sim" as in simulation.

Yes, I realise that it's vital to your operation of the wikia that you emphasise "prepaid-ness", but I think it's worth considering whether it's a higher priority to get people here first. We can then stress in the body of the text that we're talking about prepaid cards. In fact, if we link to articles called prepaid and pay as you go, in which we briefly define those terms, that'll actually help your SEO when people search for "prepaid sim cards/pay as you go sim cards".

Besides, people looking for SIM Cards pretty much always mean prepaid, don't they? You don't call going into AT&T and signing up for a plan "getting a SIM Card" — even though you in fact do get a SIM card. You call that "subscribing", or "going under contract", don't you?

Please lemme know what you think about all this. I actually think it's the most important step we can take in our redesign, and I wanna get it right. If we're going to take the time to rebuild, let's make sure people have a good chance of finding us. — CzechOut @fandom 21:50, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Well I only can tell from my experience of editing. You have to limit the amount of infomation: to
  1. prepaid (or pay-as-you-go) SIM cards
  1. mostly data rates
In fact there are other limitations too: like to GSM-based systems or cards which are publicly available, but this is secondary.
The reason to limit 1.) to prepaid: data on contracts is mostly cheaper. But then we address a totally different audience. Contracts are not for travellers or visitors. Contracts need to be linked to bank accounts or credit cards a.s.o. There is always a pressure to include contracts (check in France for instance the "rolling contracts") but this is a totally different cup of tea. If somebody wants to inform himself about options in his own country for contracts, he can find other sources.
The reason to limit 2.) to data: This is where the biggest rip-off internationally is taken place. Roaming data rates are still horrendous. Local SIM cards don't differ so much for domestic voice or text. But data gets more and more important. SMS is replaced by Whatsapp. MMS by Facebook. So it's mostly about data today.
Still I think prepaid or pay-as-you-go should be part of the name as well as data. SIM card, is a keyword or catchword, I agree. But the catch on Google is not the "card" part, but the SIM. SIM stands for subscriber idendity module. It does not necessarely require "card" to follow: What do think about Prepaid SIM with data ???Wolfbln (talk) 22:17, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
Well, my issue with just going with SIM without the word "card" is just simple deference to the colloquial. I get that it's not even right, really, to say "SIM card", since it's actually a module and the word module is inherent in the acronym. But that's what everyone calls it. The average person is going to enter "sim card" into Google. They just are. Because the average person has no idea what "sim" means.
The other problem I see in not including the word "card" is that "sim", by itself, has multiple meanings. A simple experiment:
By adding the "card", you get only results that are pertinent to this wikia's topic.
This additionally concerns me:
I think the impact of using the word "card" is demonstrable, even though it's technically an unnecessary word. Our goal, I think, should be that we get the highest possible rank out of the terms "pay as you go sim card" and "prepaid sim card" — neither of which we're doing at the moment.
As for "prepaid" in the URL, well, I'm still not getting it, but maybe this is just my lack of knowledge about SIMs. Is there some middle road between prepaid and not prepaid? My experience with phones is that I decided to go with a plan instead of prepaid cards. And when I shopped between Verizon and AT&T, I didn't consider shopping the SIM itself, but rather the plan to which the SIM gave me access.
So at this juncture, my thought is that if someone is on this site, they're naturally looking for a prepaid SIM, so the word prepaid isn't necessary. Is there a kind of SIM that you could buy that wouldn't be a prepaid SIM, but that would require some kind of comparison shopping? I'm not opposed to it, but I don't really get it. Your greater knowledge here would be helpful to me on this point. :) In theory, prepaid-sim-cards-with-data would be okay with me, but I just want to understand — more for my own personal edification than anything — why prepaid is important to the URL. — CzechOut @fandom 23:31, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
Well you may be not so familiar the cell phone industry. Generally, at least in Europe but on other continents too, the providers like to talk you into a "contract", which you call "plan". I try to avoid the word as "plan" can be prepaid or postpaid. When they see a chance to lock you for a while to a contract, they will do, as they get more provision for postpaid customers. They subsidize your smartphone and so on. This can only happen in the most countries if you have a good credit rating or have a bank account in the country or a credit card. But: this is not an accessible way for a tourist or visitor - so it's not an option.
Now the point is: data on contracts is mostly cheaper than on prepaid. So many people hear about tariffs giving out bargain data. Then somebody from this country add this offer .... and I have to delete it, because you can't get it without a local ID or local bank account or local credit card.
To give you an example: Vodafone gives out 1 GB per month on a 2-year contract almost free in Europe. On prepaid they charge you according to country 8-20 EUR for that. I live in Germany, no problem of getting a contract here with my local ID, address, credit card and bank account. But in the UK, France or the US I can't. There I'm only confined to prepaid "plans".
Lot of local people are not aware of that. Check: Israel - Golan Mobile. There we describe to fake a local ID to get a (non-binding) contract. Check France - SFR or Joe Mobile: There a long chapter about "rolling contracts" is added because data on these (non-binding) contracts is so much cheaper than on real prepaid. And of course, there countries where there are hybrid pre-/postpaid "plans".
I only like to point out that we must draw a line here. Anything which can be considered prepaid (or pay as you go) is included as long it has a good data rate. So much better rates, which are only accessible by contract are off-limits, as normally only residents can get it.
Right now on top left it now says Pay as you go SIM with data.
If you are so keen on the word "card" what about Prepaid SIM card with data (its shorter, but not much).
As "data SIM" is a acknowledged term too: Prepaid data SIM card (if it is with voice or without, is secondary and described in the offers).

Wolfbln (talk) 00:36, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Cool. :) Thanks for that explanation. I think the last suggestion is probably the best solution because it gets rid of the SEO-useless preposition. So are you okay with the primary URL being prepaid-data-SIM-card.wikia.com? Again, the dashes help SEO. (Sorry to respond a day late, but I don't get alerts about activity on your user talk page, only mine.) — CzechOut @fandom 22:19, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Colors Edit

As you rightly point out, color contrast is important, so I always try to take that into consideration when I design. Anything over a 7:1 ratio is the standard for body text, according to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0, recommended by the World Wide Web Consortium.

The proposed background is HEX #31250E. The text is white, which leads to an excellent 14:98 : 1 ratio. (For reference, black on white has the highest contrast of all, at 21:1.)

The link color is #DFC592, which works out to a contrast ratio of 8.94:1, well above the W3 recs.

Now, of course, if you simply don't like the colors, that's one thing and we can certainly address that. I'm not married to these colors or anything. But they are in fact highly legible and well within current contrast ratio standards.

Finally, these colors apply to the entire site and not just the main page. So we are indeed making a sitewide decision here. — CzechOut @fandom 22:26, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

So let the users decideEdit

You have probably seen that I put it on the front page for others to read. Please wait until we get some more feedback. Wolfbln (talk) 22:50, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

I understand that it will apply to all pages of the WIKI. But I just checked the mobile version on a smartphone or tablet of your proposal. There your proposal is still black letters on white background, only the top banner has become brown. So it only applies to the non-mobile version??? Then obviously it's not a big deal, as most people access this site from mobile devices. It's after all about mobile devices.... The changes in the mobile version are really minimal to the previous site.

Wolfbln (talk) 22:59, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, as far as the colour scheme is concerned, this is purely a proposal for desktop redesign. (However, you should still be seeing the "desktop" version on tablets and devices > 700px wide.)
Thing is, you only have two editors who've been active since Christmas. It's probably more efficient to simply to change over the design and then leave a note on their user talk page. Do you have an objection to me making the change and then soliciting comment directly from people? — CzechOut @fandom 23:46, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
OK. Make the change. But link user comments to your Talk page please. I don't want to get bashed :-)
And change the text in the present brown box on top to something appropriate. BTW have you checked the contrast of letters and background in the first box ("Here's what this WIKI is about") too?
I will think about the redesign of the first page. New colors may make it more appealing, but 1st page is still text only and therefore boring. It's like an exhibiton where your always have to read. I will try to implement a page with small graphics to click to open a subpage in the near future.  But I think it's easier to adapt, when there is a basic set of colors given.
For title i give you following choices: Pay-as-you-go SIM with Data (as it is right now), Prepaid SIM Card with Data, Prepaid SIM with data or Prepaid Data SIM Card (not 100% right, but the most condensed way IMHO with all the important words - that they may have voice or text too, is secondary) but leave the browser address as it is.
Wolfbln (talk) 00:33, January 9, 2015 (UTC)
And sure: your are right: People are looking for a "plan" (= tariff) for data. But this is too abstract as a search. With GSM-devices (in the US AT&T or T-Mobile) people look for SIMs or SIM cards instead. Because these SIMs incorporate the plan. You are right that this is only a concrete objectification of something abstract like a plan (whether post- or prepaid). In most of the world plan => SIM. It's a bit different on Verizon and Sprint, because they don't have SIM cards as a CDMA network (check US section). But "Prepaid Plan with data" sounds just not so good, I'm afraid. So in most of the world people look for SIM cards, but they mean plans. It's like looking for money but meaning happiness. Good night.
Wolfbln (talk) 01:03, January 9, 2015 (UTC)

Clarifying wiki renaming objections Edit

Sorry, didn't see you had more about the name in the section above. From those comments, it appears I may not have adequately explained things. There are a lot of aspects to this redesign, so i apologise if I haven't communicated effectively.
The object here is to harmonise the visible URL with the wiki title by choosing an SEO-effective name from a series of options. At the end of the day both the title and the URL will be changed, if for no other reason than that it's more SEO-effective to separate the constituent words in the URL, and to rid it of SEO-meaningless words like "with".
The title of the wiki, or what you're calling "the words in the upper left corner" — will be replaced by the new wordmark — as can now be seen at w:c:czechit — at least as far as human eyes are concerned. We won't see the title of the wikia with great regularity, but Google will. That's because Google's going to drill down into the code, where the wikia title appears with frequency.
==About the name==

Hi CzechOut.

I totally disagree to change the name of this WIKI what the name in the address (URL) line of the browser is concerned.

Reasons: the address line prepaidwithdata is a well known address quite often mentioned in specialized forums. To just add "SIm Card" and skip "with", I don't think we should risk it. We will start from scratch.

All links in other documents from Wikitravel to a lot of sites like Tripadvisor become useless with the new address because the links will become dead, I guess. These links are often years old, but still work because the address has not changed, even when the articles have been updated.

You said: "On the name thing, it's possible you don't know that you can have multiple names. So there's no reason you couldn't have a whole list of alternatives, so that people can find you whatever they locally call it."

So it's all right with me, if you change the name on top left of the WIKI site a bit to Prepaid SIM Card with data or similar, but NOT the name of the URL line.

I dont think that URL and name on top left need to coincide 100%. All - so I think - is negotiable, is the written name on top left, not the URL!

If there is a way to link all http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com sub-sites automatically to http.//prepaid-data-sim-card,wikia.com sub-sites, I might think about it. But if all links to prepaidwithdata on the net will die, no way!

BTW. all your proposals are about formalities: a different color setting or a different name. Without adding any contents or trying to make the present content more visually appealing, we wont get any further.

You see, I started to rebuild the main page a bit. It's only half done so far. But this I think is a way to get more attention: not any new color or new name. As a graphics man you could help me how to visualize the sometimes very abstract features of this site.

In short, don't touch the URL if all existing links to this WIKI on other sites become dead after that. Wolfbln (talk) 23:22, January 10, 2015 (UTC)


So, all that in mind, do you have an objection to re-chrisening the site entirely under the name Prepaid Data SIM Card Wiki, which will then translate in the main visible URL to prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com? — CzechOut @fandom 22:37, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
A clear NO when all links from outside will become dead after this.
Is there a way  to automatically transfer or reroute a link like  e.g. prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/Bulgaria  to prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Bulgaria  in all present links on other sites? Or will everybody have an error after clicking an old prepaidwithdata - link on another site?
Wolfbln (talk) 23:22, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
The only name change I'd agree (for the URL line) can be a gradual migration from prepaidwithdata to something like prepaid-data-SIM-card. Is it be possible to mirror the prepaidwithdata page on prepaid-data-SIM-card, keep both WIKIs on and check if we really get more hits on the new URL??? We will have 2 WIKIs for a limited time.
Wolfbln (talk) 23:32, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
==Reconsideration of CzechOut's proposals==

Hi CzechOut.

Today, I thought about your two proposals. The one of renaming the URL name and your new color layout. I've come to the conclusion that I reject both.

The reasons are: Most people come here for information. We are the only site on the net covering prepaid data plans for people travelling to other countries. I think it's really not so important what the colors are or the exact name of the WIKI.

I do really  think that this WIKI can improve a lot graphically, but not in simply changing white to brown background or black to white letters. Instead by trying to visually "translate" the often very abstract topics.

As you have seen, I'm in the process of visually enhance our main page. Even if I think, that most users come through links directly to national chapters. But the main page can be our billboard for Newbies to get attracted to the subject.

1.) new color layout:

Generally, it's a matter of taste and I don't like brown so much. I don't know what the color has to do with SIM cards or the subject but this can be said to white too. I tried it out in a national chapter: http://czechit.wikia.com/wiki/Bulgaria and there is a fact I especially don't like. The logos of the listed providers become very dominant as they are mostly against a white background. They are only used as guidance for the reader to find the shops on the street, but now they dominate the whole article. It's better when they are not against a white background like the Orange logo, but I don't think that you want to mask the background of 200 jpg. pics from white into brown.

2.) new URL address

As I said before, prepaidsimwithdata is an established address within the community. I would not give this up. People don't only come through Google or Bing but linked by a lot of travel sites and bloggers as well. You don't give up this in the hope of a few clicks more when the URL contains "SIM" too. But you can mirror this WIKI with the new name prepaid-data-sim-card or whatever and start a new main page with this name and link it to the old prepaidsimwithdata. Count the clicks on both and we know more.

So, I'm sorry to say, that I reject both of your proposals. I'm not against change, but I don't see any advantages in renaming or recoloring. But what about my proposal to enhance the contents graphically, not only by giving it a new color or name but by visualizing the text?.What are your ideas for a good main page?

Wolfbln (talk) 01:41, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Why do you want to change the whole WIKI totally without having added one single contribution yet? We can co-work on how to improve the main page or get some points more visually attractive. But all you are interested in is background color or name changes to get more hits.
Wolfbln (talk) 23:37, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
Let me try to answer your questions one by one, though perhaps not in the order you've asked them. :)
Why do I want to change the design of the wiki without having contributed to the content of the wiki? Easy: it's my job. This wiki was noticed by our very highest management and a request came forth for me to help redesign it. Most Wikia communities are thrilled to get professional help with their redesign. In fact, we've got so many requests that we've had to create a process by which to handle them. In essence, because this wikia was noticed by our highest management, you're being given the opportunity to skip the normal process and receive some special attention. Please don't feel threatened by me or my efforts. If we at Wikia didn't value your opinion, we would have just made changes without consulting you.
If you don't like the brown color scheme, we can easily try something else. The brown comes because it's complementary to the gold of the sim card in the logo. But it's not necessary. If you'd like it to be something else, we can certainly try other color combinations.
Why have I gone for the color scheme first? Because it's the essential building block of design. Refactoring the front page is not the hardest thing. What's difficult is making sure that we know what colors we're going to use. That knowledge then allows us to know how to build the front page and every other page. Starting with the content and then designing your color palette is literally like trying to run before walking.
So let's decide that first. Are you saying you'd prefer a white background?
As far as your company logos are concerned, it would generally be considered a better practice to make sure that they are transparent. If some have orange backgrounds, some white, and some yellow, that's going to naturally hinder attractive page design. Almost every company's logo can be found in transparent versions through Google image searches. And those that can't can be easily stripped of their backgrounds through a single step in Photoshop. I'd strongly suggest that we not design the wiki according to the backgrounds of logos currently uploaded here, but rather plan on switching out those logos, or at least putting them in thumbnails so that their backgrounds are de-emphasised by the border naturally created by adding |thumb to a file call (i.e. [[file:image.png|thumb|This is a caption.]])
Finally, on the subject of renaming, I think you've gotten the wrong idea — and I apologise again if I've not been clear. We wouldn't at all be starting from ground zero. All of the places on the internet that now link to this wiki would still be linked here. http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com would still be a valid address. In fact, you'd get even more valid addresses, so it would be super simple for people to find this place, regardless of the variety of English they spoke. The point of moving the visible URL to your own suggestion of prepaid-data-SIM-card would only be to improve your position. See, we find through analytics that the vast, vast majority of visitors to Wikia actually do come through Google or other search engines. So whatever we can do to improve the search ranking directly translates to more visitors to the site.
But, again, please do not be fearful of the change. It would not in any way, shape or form put you back to "ground zero" or invalidate any existing links on other websites.
Finally, I'm quite interested in refactoring the actual content of the front page. That's in fact my main goal. I look forward to working with you on that, once we can agree on the building blocks of a color palette and background.

Reply to your statement of Jan/12Edit

Hi CzechOut.

First, of all, I'm sorry for my inexperience: I have never moved a WIKI to a new address or anything else. That's why this leads to a lot of misunderstandings for which I am really sorry.

  1. URL change

I absolutely have NO objection if you move the visible URL line of this WIKI from prepaidwithdata to something different as long as all hits or requests on the net directed at prepaidwithdata will be automatically linked to the new address. So if anybody puts in "http://prepaidwithdata.wikia.com/wiki/Finland" he ends up at http://<new name>.wikia.com/wiki/Finland

So if we link the old URL line to the new visible URL, it is all right with me. Then, it is kind of a mirror of the prepaidwithdata site on the new URL. You can even think of more names to get more hits or more keywords in.

Prepaid should be in (alternatively pay as you go, but this is even longer), data and as you think SIM as a keyword. You also told me that SIM card leads to more results than SIM alone. The shortest possible way to put these 4 words in a row which makes sense is Prepaid data SIM card .  We both agree that "with" is dispensable as keyword.

Just one question: you made prepaid-data-SIM-card out of it. Words seperated by dashes. The old URL has skipped all dashes. It's not prepaid-with-data. You think the single words are better for search engines? We might as well go with prepaiddataSIMcard analog to prepaidwithdata.

2. Color layout

First, I agree our WIKI lacks color. Color is always a matter of taste. I don't hesitate to say, that I think this dark brown looks awful. But is white so much better? I don't get any connection between dark brown and a SIM card. The "chip" undoubtly looks golden, which is not easy to display. Golden is often displayed as yellow or in yellowish colors (e.g. in the German flag). Anyway, I can think of many colors looking more like a SIM card than dark brown.

If we agree to leave the letters (outside of links) in either black or white, we need a bright or dark color for background to reach a certain contrast ratio. Right?

We should further agree that the transition from the old background color to the new one must not lead to a lot of extra work to adapt. The logos are a problem, because they are against a white background. Some logos of the major companies may be available without backround. But I can tell you a lot are NOT. In these the background must be adjusted by hand (Photoshop, masking the white). This is a lot of work. After one year, there are still countries (like Japan and Kores) without any logos, because I had no time to edit it up to now. And you tell me, you are going to adapt our logos to the new background? I don't want to spend my time painting logos. Take the logos i used here in Bulgaria: http://czechit.wikia.com/wiki/Bulgaria  Just Vodafone, Telenor, Viva and Orange. Orange is OK. I just took the time to mask the white background to dark brown on Vodafone, Telenor and Viva:

Sorry. But this just looks awful. Most of the logos are designed in front of a white background which can't be simply replaced by dark brown. You hardly recognize the logos. You have to acknowledge this,

My proposal What about black letters and color #FFFFB2 or something similar. I have used this for the country survey on the main page. Yellow or a beige color can also remind someone of a SIM card. By just slightly adjusting to a discreet background color means that there will be no extra work to adjust the pics or logos by masking and replacing backgrounds. So come up with a more restrained color proposal please.

Wolfbln (talk) 17:55, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Please don't give up on this process; I know we're going to be able to create something special — together! — CzechOut @fandom 06:11, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

Name Edit

Hey, thanks for reconsidering your rejection. According to the above discussion the visible URL of the wikia is now http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com.

Here are other aliases that work:

Hyphenated form Unhyphenated form Notes
data-sim datasim seems like an accurate enough short form
gsm-data-card gsmdatacard May not be wholly accurate. But some people apparently do think of "GSM data cards", according to google searches. Do you think we might also need gsm.wikia.com?
pay-as-you-go-data-sim-card payasyougodatasimcard Long form for Britons
prepaid-with-data prepaidwithdata The old standard
payg-sim-with-data paygsimwithdata The hyphen-less form is actually the wiki's founding URL.
payg-sim-with-data-card paygsimwithdatacard Not wholly sure the hyphen break is in the right place. You may feel it's better for the hyphenated form to be pay-g-sim-with-data-card. I dunno.
sim-card simcard Yes, I know this is not wholly accurate, but we don't have any other significant SIM card wikis or any type, so you're the de facto "sim card wiki" here at wikia. Having this as an alternate doesn't obligate you to cover voice SIM cards.

... and all of these work if you add "www" in front of the address, as with http://www.prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com. Lemme know if you think we've missed any obvious alternatives! — CzechOut @fandom 21:13, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Hi CzechOut..

Thanks. Good names. You can may be one name with plan in it too. Because - as you have correctly realized - people are actually looking for plans. The SIM (card) is only the object of the plan. As we have payg-sim-with-data-card and without -card, you may change payg-sim-data-plan or something like this. But I really like your proposals. The main known address will be from now on: prepaid-data-sim-card. Shouldn't we adjust the name in the left top position of the WIKI to it as well?

And before you paint everything dark brown, we should really reconsider it. Any ideas for the main page? I have realized that the national link list can't be too much on top because advertisment will partly cover it otherwise. Text is adjusted to the ads, but not the columms of the links.As it is right now, that's how I think it may look like. I will link the rest of the gallery soon and think about a Q&A troubleshooting. I think there should be no more on it, not to overload it. What is your opinion?

Wolfbln (talk) 21:28, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Additions to above aliases, per your request:
Hyphenated form Unhyphenated form Notes
prepaid-data-plan prepaiddataplan
pay-as-you-go-data-plan payasyougodataplan to ensure Britons not left out
payg-data-plan paygdataplan most common British abbreviation
On other naming matters, the actual sitename of the wikia is Prepaid Data SIM Card Wiki. Additionally the name of your project namespace was getting so long, most people would never have found it. It's been shortened to Data SIM:, as in Data SIM:About. — CzechOut @fandom 18:56, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Adoption Edit

Hi. I’ve given you admin and bureaucrat rights on this wikia as you requested. You now have the tools you need to clean up, customize and maintain the wikia.

Check out your Admin Dashboard, which can by found by clicking "Admin" on the bottom toolbar -- it has links to all your new tools. Please let me know if you have any questions, and good luck with your new (old) wikia! -- Wendy (talk@fandom 04:43, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

Great edits for Greece. Best wishes Mike GRTMan (talk) 09:48, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbln,

I am a frequent traveller and use SIM cards all over the world and start contributing now. I would like to see a designated "Check balance" heading, as it is quite crucial and often somewhere in the text. What do you think? Best, Tillmc

Hi Wolfbln,

thanks for your reply concerning the balance check.

Let me throw in another reason, why to have an own section. Actually once someone bought a SIM card, put it into the phone and started using it, the only command you regulary need is to check balance. I have written a lot of documentation for a lot of coutries stored in my iPhones as notes for myself. Most of the time I also created individual contacts for each SIM card and country. But I now search for an easier way to manage all that information. There I've started contributing to this wiki. 

But the wiki can be more than just information only. I would like to come back myself once I have the SIM as a replacement to create contacts on my iPhone. So my idea is: Balance check should be an own section so that you simply could navigate back to the page (or even with an ancor) to tap on the specific USSD URL. We could provide it as a hyperlink.

I agree that the boxes with the USSD I created take to much space. But what do you think about a new section like this?

Recharge & Balance checkEdit

To check voice balance, dial [tel:*123# *123#]

To check data balance, dial [tel://*124# *124#]

We could start introducing this section once a entry is being touched or reworked? Let me know what you think.

Best, Tillmc


Hi Wolfbln, hm, actually I would still prefer a hot link instead of writing or copying. I could not get it working with Wikia. Wikia always adds http in the front of the "tel" URI entered. And the "tel" URI does work on my Nexus 5 when it is correct in the HTML source code.

Best,

Tillmc

Hi, May I know how to pre-install a map? ````


Hi, Wolfbin.

I appreciate your care and good hints about Russian page, but is it posible to leave that ebay link there? The price of their items can differ, but the cards are always in stock there, and the item page also bears some useful information. I had a trouble with Russian SIM card and asked them to help - the answer was great, so, I cannot say about delivery, but english-speaking support is a great advantage.

Or, another good idea, I can change the link to the "All seller's items" link, because there are many operators in stock - how about this?

http://www.ebay.com/usr/compy_2m?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

There are also some strange websites with online shops that sell SIM cards, but their prices are awful.

Will do my best to help the page. Thanks again.

Ipswitch (talk) 07:20, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

About Tele2 Russia Edit

Hi!

Thanks for your feedback again.

About Tele2 in Moscow.

It is not an ideal, it is working not so good as we dreamed due to the several coverage issues (in the buildings, in the rural area outside of the city, in the subway) preventing many people in Moscow from using Tele2 as their only SIM card. But their Moscow prices are really good. But there is a rumor that this is short-time action to boost new subscribers, and later they will raise the prices to increase the income.

In St.Petersburg everything is different, the opposite - prices are worse than in Moscow, but quality is higher. It is good, stable, reliable solution in St.Petersburg, and lots of people choose it. It is in great demand there.

I think, at least now, we should save the St.Petersburg prices only for Tele2 and watch for Moscow prices. So, keep the eyes open.

Fixed packs for Moscow - they were for St.Petersburg. Now all packs are correct.

"Internet for Devices" is not very good option. This is not a separate plan, this is the bundle - voice plan without monthly fee like "Orange" but with worse price of 1 minute, plus already activated "Bag" Internet option (7 Gb for 299 RUR). It is better to add "Bag" or something else to "Orange". IMHO, completely obsolete (redundant) option.

Ipswitch (talk) 21:46, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbln,

I can't get Google captcha to work so i'm unable to fix my last edit on Euro4 page. The external link to Ortel's rates has some text before the http.

-- Thanks for the edit Wolfbln.

JohnKnox64 (talk) 20:40, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

Hi Wolf,

I have not added Lebara. Please check that in the history.

I have added the new information for Vodafone. I just replaced the 21 MBit in the text with 50. You really do a lot in this Wiki, and I appreciate your work. But dont accuse me of things I have not done. I have double checked all info for Vodafone and they are correct. I even did a speed check and it is 47 MBit/s.


Best. Tillmc

And by the way: The Vodafone info was still at 21 MBit/s. So it is wrong, that this has already been added before. I have added this info.

Tillmc.

Ok, I now understand why you are upset. When I click in the history, I see that you have added the Callya info on Jan 14th. When I checked the page today, the page still showed the 21 MBit info. Therefore I added this. So it seems that by editing, the page was falling back to an older state with the f*** Lebara stuff in it. I don't know why this went wrong. I just loaded the Germany page - not a revision of the Germany page - and pressed Edit.

And don't be upset with Vodafone. It this best LTE prepaid offer right now. I personally not into Vodafone, Im just looking for the best product offering. And: I just did another speedcheck in my appartment. Believe it or not, it is 52.48 down and 19.49 up.

I think I can really distinguish between useful info, specially for SIM cards. And I will continue to add stuff. So I hope you calm down. Best, Tillmc

Hi wolf, I just notice you left a message possibly for me on the talk page of Jamar0303 I had interrupted your conversation with him to add my suggestion of North America page. It seems we have chosen unintentional similar names on wikia, but we are no relation. Jams206 (talk) 08:31, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Also New Caledonia, AustraliaEdit

Hi Wolfbln, Thanks for the comments on my IP address (http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:144.130.157.1) I have now signed in and created an account.

I am from Australia but as you can see have created the New Caledonia page, I also notice that you have said you want to update Australia which I may be able to help with. 

Also can we add New Cal to the home page?

Mbbuser (talk) 08:59, January 31, 2016 (UTC)

Hi there! 

What about Allin2015's recent edit of Ukraine page? Crimea section . No intention to move it, but why all this word digging? After the Referendum  it actually became the part of Russia. All people who didn't want to agree with that, moved away to the mainland and refused to get a Russian passport. Let the article remain intact, this edit has no any other value except politized voice of Ukrainian side.

Ipswitch (talk) 15:42, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

About Crimea

Hi! Very good solution, yeah. By the way, Crimean Telecom launched. Where to write an article about it?

They released rather good combo plan with free calls to local mobile and fixed numbers and unlimited data (speed throttled after 5 Gb).

Krymtelekom-3

Crimea Telecom SIM card










Ipswitch (talk) 20:37, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

France - Prepaid data SIM Edit

Hello Wolfbin, So glad for your France - Prepaid data SIM write-up. I only need data plan and so what SFR can offer on a Rolling Contract Starter Pack "SFR Connecté Partout forfait sans engagement” (5GB - Eur15.99) attracts me.

It was mentioned that : 'though some SFR shops are willing to mark your payment method as "other" to allow you to come in and pay by cash or credit card in person... And canceling is not easy'  So, I am wondering if I managed to find shop who allows me to pay cash up front for the 1st month, do I still have to call in to cancel the contract after I leave France?

I mean would I be penalised in anyway, or would they swimply cut my SIM account when the month is up?

All your advise is highly appreciated.

Dear Wolfbln

thanks for your message. Agreed with most points you raised apart from your remark on "inflated price":

- the SIM card is sold by Vodafone Ukraine for 50 UAH with 1 UAH balance but with one-month activated Red S tariff worth  30 UAH

- needless to say that posting the SIM recorded delivery costs twice the cost of the SIM card, Ukrainian postal service is not that cheap

- eBay charges 10% for each item sold, amazon charges much more

- paypal deducts up to 10% from each 

- the person who posts the SIM needs to be paid and transport expenses covered

My friend who sold you his fist SIM last month for 8 USD made a loss on selling that item, although that was intentional - the first customer was to get the cheapest price. You did mention activation that in my friend's case includes calling the live operator to check everything has gone well. For a few weeks now he also encloses some printed info and provides support for the customers who have bought the product. I simply cannot see grounds for you to call the price inflated. Well, any customer who thinks so can always buy the item from a different seller. Purchasing from my friend is not obligatory, anyway :)

Looking forward to the featured site about this SIM and with all the best wishes

Soloristretto (talk) 09:31, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

Pre-paid Data Only SIM - France (SFR) Edit

Hi Wolfbin,

thank you very much on your kind advise, I definitely would not want to run afoul of the French authority, therefore I am exploring the SFR 'Connecté Partout Starter 1 Go' at €7.99 for 1GB (valid for 30days) instead. I do have the following queries on this though:

1) Would you advise that I get the help of the SFR staff to recharge with another 1GB valid only for 7days (€10) “SFR Connecté Partout prepayée” vouchers right away? My worry is that they will not use up the short validity recharge data before acting on the 1GB that's valid for 30days.

2) If i were to buy the “SFR Connecté Partout prepayée” voucher 1st for later recharge, how can I recharge it from my iPad? Sorry for troubling you coz I speak & read no french at all, and all the google just point me to calling a number from a mobile but this Data-only SIM is for my iPad with not call function.

3) Just to confirm, I would be able to tether/hotspot my mobile phone on my iPad (with the SFR SIM) correct?


Thanks a mil!

Angelia

Hi Wolfbn,

I am not trying to advertise anything. I did find it weird why the others were above as there is exactly no rules stated when placing edits. I think you should add in rules or guidelines that pop when users make an edit. I will place eConnect below everybody else, as you have informed me. Thank you very much for directly sending me a message. I thought somebody was punking our section or something, and I'm glad there is someone who I can discuss to about this issue.

"A logo or a graphic of your product is OK, but no further graphics to pop it up. Everybody can imagine how a data check looks like on one's phones. very second operator on the market has an own app now. I don't understand why you hype this fact. It's pretty normal. We don't mention it here very often, as Google's Play store or the iStore are often geo-restricted. Your app seems not. That's fine. And you can mention it"

- I don't see any app made available by other providers or resellers. I think readers should be informed of that and how the App is convenient. Any wikipedia article would do the same, don't you think so as well? It's plain information. I will though delete the repetitive areas. If you can find b-mobile, u-mobile, and so-net building their own Apps and making it available for anyone else, maybe you should put it up on their sections. But I don't seem to be able to find any. "


The links behind Japan Prepaid SIM need to go. We don't do this for any other provider. Take a look on the article. It's enough when you give your email address at the bottom and perhaps for availability. Don't always repeat "Japan Prepaid SIM". This is not a market place. Talk about "the SIM card" or "this product"." - Well, I see links everywhere on the other providers. Please see the paragraph below:

Cards can be purchased online from the official website and delivered to hotels, post offices at select airports, or any set address in Japan. Cards can also be purchased at Xcom Global counters at Haneda, Narita, Kansai, and Chūbu Centrair airports as well as from a machine located inside the Narita Excel Hotel Tokyo or at Yodobashi camera chain: stores list

This was found on NTT Communications. So I don't see a reason why eConnect should not place links. I can delete links on repetitive ones, but I don't think I should be deleting all the links to eConnect's site when the others have  "


Why do you insist to replace "postal address" like it is done with all other products by "any Japanese address(Air B&B, apartments, etc.)" Why should we name a accomodation agency where it's all about postal delivery?" -Don't you think it's best to be specific? Some people might find that delivery to apartments and b&b's are not allowed. Laws in Japan are really tight on B&B's, and we want people to know that the can get orders delivered to b&b's. We receive a lot of emails asking if we can do so as implied on our site that we can deliver to any address in the Japan. And we have to painstakingly tell them yes, we do. I think people here should know about it. I can add those specifics to the other selles here if you want to. Saying something too general might confuse a lot of people don't you think? Just saying any japanese address would be too ambiguous. "how long is "a day": is it a calendar day or a real 24 hours day? 

if this is true: "If users cannot make a top-up within the 3 days, the SIM is automatically terminated." then the sentences before are at least misleading and ad talk: "The SIM card can be used at an indefinite amount of time depending on the number of top-ups(recharges) the users make. Users can even extend usage of the SIM to 1 year, depending on the top-ups the user makes."  Come on, you are talking about a year or more, but the SIM will be shut off after 3 days not being topped up. Are you crazy?""

- You can try it out. You can get a SIM and use it for 5 years so long as you keep extending. I will be more specific about the top-up time, but as long as you can make a top-up, the SIM can be used indefinitely. This is no lie, you can try it out yourself.  As the sentence implies, as long as you make a top-up, the SIM can be used indefinitely. If you want to call up a lawyer or a logic experience, this is no ad talk. This the plain truth. If users make a top-up, they can use the SIM indefinitely. I will be specific on the hours and the top-up time on my next edit, but I do warn you, it will cost a lot of space.

"Why do you imply a "no fair usage policy" when you are actually using one? A FUP throttles the speed after a certain allowance is used up. You are slowing down the plans to 128 kbps. This is considered a FUP in most parts of the world. How do you call this?" - What are you talking about? We do not have a fair usage policy. WE don't sell SIMs from b-mobile or elsewhere. 1 GB SIM card users can use the whole 1 GB in 1 day. Try it out, please. Amuse me once you use up all your data. You will not get slowed down. We only slow down to 128 Kbps for 100MB/Day SIMs, but that is because it is only 100MB/Day. Using 200MB/Day wouldn't be a 100/MB/Day now would it? But If you talk about the 1 GB, 3 GB, and 5 GB SIM cards, you can use as much data as you want with an average 2 Mbps actual speed. Sue me if this isn't true or sue eConnect if this isn't true. There is no fair usage policy. " I'd suggest to name the product in the headline. Why don't you call it Japan Prepaid SIM (by eConnect Japan Inc.)? It's better when you show the SIM and not the company. But this is up to you."

-I appreciate your suggestion. Maybe it would be better to do so, but we are planning to launch another SIM line later on, so we will leave it there for now. We'll be sure to surprise you with a free SIM. And yes, we are crazy, but it's the crazy ones who change the world ;) 

"This SIM card does not support voice or SMS. And this needs to be said. Period. You have taken off this essential info. We show the advantages and disadvantages here. Again, it's not a marketing platform. It's supporting tethering and VoIP (for calls) should be mentioned though. Why did you take it off? I know than Japanese SIM cards for foreigners are not allowed to have voice (see Basics), then it's very important to say that VoIP calls are supported."

- I am really sorry about this. I assumed that "provides data only" was enough. I'll add that in.

"- now, we come to a point about honesty: I checked your website and you've accused me of giving wrong information. But either you are lying on your website or in this article here. Take your choice: It's about the network your SIM is operating. You added now to the article: "data plans that run on the high-speed LTE and 4G networks".  LTE is 4G and it's only 4G then, no word of 3G anymore in the article."

- I confirmed with our provider, and we are not on 3G. We are on the 4G and LTE network called Xi. We have to update our website, but we are currently developing our App and another SIM line right now.We don't really update the useless technical info real-time as customers would really care anyway. But we will update that soon. And we don't scam people into thinking that we can give them theoritical 150 Mbps download speeds and just add in the word "at best effort". We honestly inform everybody, to whoever inquires us, that actual tested speed is at 2 Mbps downlink. You can test the actual product out without any issue. We just have not updated it yet. Our previous SIM cards were on the FOMA network and were only the 3G and had fair usage policy. We only updated parts of our site, and we haven't really placed much attention to the technical specifics. We only place standard speed because we don't want to say 150 Mbps theoritical speeds or 225 Mbps theoritical speeds on our site because it is far more misleading when actual speeds don't even get half the speed written on the website.

"- another thing about honesty: You are launching this prepaid SIM card 08/03/2016. Yet your website is full of positive testimonials about this particular SIM. One cannot help feeling fooled by you."

- What are you talking about? We launched this SIM last year. When we say the SIM is available from 08/03/2016, that means it's available on March 8, 2016. We are using western dates, not Japanese dates. Otherwise it would be 2016/03/08. 

"So I give you 3 days time to clear these problems and make the necessary edits. If they are not done in line with the other offers on this article, I will edit them once again. But next time, I'm going to protect the article and may block your profile. For "advertising" your product with its great abilities only, you'd better look somewhere else."

- Before I place edits, I will first clear things out with you here. I will add the disadvantages, but I would have to apologize for undoing your edit as you placed in incorrect information. Like us cutting plans down after usage or speeds of up to 2 Mbps. Sorry, but it is actual tested speed. We do not add theoritical information. If you wish to have us do so, we'll add only on the wiki, but we will absolutely not place any information on our site like that to mislead users. 

""Data plans range from 1 GB/15 day SIM cards and 100/MB day 15 day SIM cards to 5 GB/30 day SIM cards. Prices start from 2,980 Yen to 7,480 Yen" . This is already mentioned in the table. Just mention it once. When trying to place an order, your website only accepts PayPal. this is another limitation that has to be said as people expect credit cards as well.

- I will delete the redundancy, and I will add this information in. I am very sorry, but I did not notice that I should be placing that. No problem there, but please be informed that we will soon be accepting credit cards. We can also accept credit card payments through direct invoices. We have to yet integrate credit card payments to our system. "I checked your offer on Amazon as I'm still a bit clueless. Why do you sell it with a 30% discount there compared to your own website?" We can even give SIMs out for free. Of course, this would be impractical for now, but we are planning to do so within the coming months. We sell 30% lesser on Amazon because we don't have to shoulder the shipping fee. Amazon also does the selling, and the tracking, and all the work. So it would be fair to make it cheaper. "On the 2nd pic finally all 3G and 4G networks of NTT Docomo are mentioned: 4G (XI) on Bands 1, 3, 19, 21 and 3G on Bands 1 and 19. I'm willing to believe that it's on 3G AND 4G. But why don't you say so? Look how your competitor is pushing 4G/LTE: here. Frequencies are vital for Japan, as they often don't match foreign bands." - We honestly don't care. They market products as if everybody can understand all those technical terms. We do however place the proper information at the back of the packets of our SIM cards packages. Please see this link: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/610-8KVfuGL._SL1000_.jpg Honestly though, nobody pays attention on the technical settings on our site. They just send us emails when they ask questions regarding the technical details, so we haven't prioritized it. We don't sell SIMs based on our theoritical speeds, technical aspects, but through our brand. A lot of people recommend us based on actual performance. This is one of the reasons why we don't place theoritical speeds on our site because we don't want to disappoint people into thinking that "Oh we're so excited to come to Japan, we're gonna have 50 Mbps internet speeds" and such. If there's anything else you want to add in, I'd be glad to do so. But I want to make sure correct information is placed in this Wiki, and I appreciate your work in trying to do the same thing as well. We just weren't on the same page in the first place. I will edit some points tonight, but I won't edit the areas I am arguing on right now. Let's get it clear before we change the info. 


Warm Regards, Nikko   



By the way, I don't know how to transfer our section. Can you help me with this? Additionally, before brastel launched their SIM, we were already in the market. I don't think it's fair to place us at the bottom. Just because you guys did not notice our SIM doesn't mean we have to follow rank and file. I would be agreeable if this was placed somewhere below b-mobile. Well, that is for you to decide though. I do agree this is not a market place, but I think it is unfair if you place us all the way to the bottom just because nobody noticed us and added our product to this wiki site dedicated for SIM cards.



Additionally, I want you to know that we can control internet speed through our server. We can speed it up or slow it down. The constant speed is at 2 Mbps, actual speed. We can reach faster speeds as we are on LTE, but we place it at 2 Mbps so everybody gets a constant speed. Please also be informed that users conduct random tests, and this speed is constantly the same or at around that level. We do not lower speeds as long as users still have Data remaining. If you want me to put this up, sure. If you want guarantees on this, you can ask people in Japan to buy our SIM, we can give them big discounts. You can then ask them to test it out. Our App also automatically installs the apn profile for the iOS users. We made sure to make it more convenient for users to setup. Almost everybody has to open a link on safari to install the APN profile. And they need internet connection for this. Users can pre-install our app before they come to Japan so they can just insert the SIM and set the apn up. We even made the setup easier.

I'll give you an example for b-mobile. You have to open a link they place on a manual to install an APN profile, this is very frustrating for a lot of users. WE made sure to solve this problem, and this is why I made sure to place a section for our App because this makes the usage of the SIM very easy. I didn't want to get into detail because I don't want the section to be too long compared to everyone else. But this is no fantasy here. If you think it's overpowered, yes it is. But we have to compensate for our lack of booths in airports or resellers in convenience stores. We want to sell based on performance. If you think this is some sort of Scam, go try it out or ask somebody who would try it out for you. If other countries are making Apps, based on my knowledge this is the first in Japan. People should be informed of the convenience our service brings to customers. No fair usage policy, no activiation, semi-automated setup, and even more. I can't seem to find that in NTT Communications, Brastel, B-mobile, Yokoso Japan, or elsewhere. They're selling and reselling SIM cards like crazy without even thinking about the user. It should be convenient for the user to use, and we solved that through software.




" Edit

Hi Wolf,

Thank you very much for your prompt response. I am very sorry for not noticing the guidelines on this wiki, and with your advice, I will abide the rules of this page. When I mentioned about being too technical, I was referring to our site. We have not updated our side because we our clients never really notice the technicalities involved. We track their views per page, and nobody notices it.

I am very sorry for the confusion, We are both on Xi and FOMA. Not just Xi.  

" bet you are not unhappy when a foreign device is not working in Japan on your SIM card because of this, aren't you?"

-Even if we warn users of incompatibilities, they still make purchases. Some send us direct emails prior to purchase so what we do is we give out free pocket wifi devices for them to use(only shipping fee). That is why we haven't updated our site. However, our SIM is both on Xi and FOMA.

(1) Position: I have no problem there. I was only concerned that we have to be on the bottom just because nobody cared to add us in the first place.

(2) I will remove the FUP but I will add in details that we do not slow down speeds if a certain data cap is reached within a day for our other SIMs.

(3) App, I'm sorry about that. I was a bit concerned when you said that I am overhyping it.

(4) We are not really throttling the speed, this has been decided by SORACOM that constant speed for our standard speed be 2 Mbps. We can increase the speed if we request, but the risk of slowing other users' speeds would increase. We prefer to keep the speed stable rather than have users a speed of 4 Mbps at 13:00 and then 1 Mbps at 19:00. This is constant(more or less 1.9 to 2.2), but we do not change speeds unless users no longer have data.

(5) We are not trying to compensate technical incompatibilities through software. We making it easier for users to use a SIM in Japan using software. I agree with you on this statement:

"One is 2G and 3G only on internatl. roaming for incoming calls. The other is on 4G/LTE too for the local SIM on European frequencies (used in Brazil): 800, 1800, 2600 MHz. With my 2 devices I will have no coverage on one at all and in Tokyo, Nagoya and Osaka only with the other when I use your SIM. That's not your fault. but it is not telling the user. And this is our mission here."

But I am not sure why this is in connection with my previous statement. I am saying we are trying to solve the inconvenience with SIMs using our App as I thought you found it too concerning that we are hyping our SIM. We are not. But I will indeed correct the 4G/LTE area. I will add in 3G and 4G/LTE as we on both Xi and FOMA, and not Xi alone.


I will add in the corrections as soon as possible. Thank you very much for your understanding and your help.


Regards,

Nikkokun


Dear Mr. Wolfbln


 I'm poppn from Japan.

 I would like to make Japanese version of prepaid-data-sim-card Wikia website.

 Can I use information from your wikia?

 I hope your great answer.

 Sincerely,

 poppn

Hi Wolf

Ucell seems to quote everything in USD, also on their website check here http://ucell.uz/ru/subscribers/tariffs/affordable_internet

what to do.. take a rought rate of 2800 som per USD and then change the tariffs ?

Xavier1978 (talk) 16:16, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbln

I think the Uzbekistan page is good enough to publish.

A few suggestion for all pages in general, which could make the wikia more at a glance: Just let me know what you think.

1. Lets put basics in additional information like USS Codes or text to codes for balance, internet balance and my phone number. That way the reader does not have to search for them all the time in the text.

2. Avoiding use of USS codes and remembering everything could be handy if some providers have an app that is freely downloadable (usually due to region restriction not the case for some german providers, but many country's are freely downloadable even if your play or apple account is not in that country).

Hi wolf

Another country has been started, ANGOLA but I don't know where to find the frequency bands they are using apart from Wikipedia. Do you have other sources you check if the provider website is not mentioning anything ?

Hi wolfbln.. both providers in Angola mention that in their terms and conditions you need to bring a piece of ID for activation. The unicell website even is doing a registration campaign mentioning specifically an ID card for locals or a passport with valid visa for foreigners and that without registration existing SIMs will be blocked. Ill try to find out whether this is a new law there. For visitor it means bring an ID and use your hotels address..

Regarding Peru I checked movistars website and they clearly mention a DNI for locals or a CE for foreigners (residence permit). So you have to be a resident. I wonder whether some stores accept your passport and take fingerprints there. I looked at a few providers in neighboring countries whether they have a special data roaming rate for peru but negative so far...

Ill try adding more countries..my next ones are Suriname and then algeria. 176.7.54.130 06:00, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wolf

I have add more info to Angola and I think we are complete for as far the information could be found. Registration is simple for Angola: bring passport with valid visa if you are foreigner or ID card if you are national. So I do not expect this to be another "Peru or Azerbaijan". 

Uzbekistan the info came from Ucell website itself.. at these specific outlets they can give SIM cards. So maybe because there is a legal way and is bring passport plus hotel slip as proof of address we may be able to "ungrey" uzbekistan.

Hi Wolf..

Let's add Suriname as country nr 140.. Have a look.. 

Hi Wolf. I've gone ahead and added everything I know to a new article, Guam and Northern Mariana Islands, which I hope is OK. It's not very complete. I don't know much of the 3rd carrier, or even if the information is still good for 2016 (I checked the websites where possible) and also aggravating is the many "unlimited" daily data plans with no clear FUP. However the telecoms on these islands are used to many short term visitors and these daily plans are targeted towards them and probably don't hit some limit unless you're streaming video constantly. But, I hope that there's enough information to be useful to someone else. As there's very little information elsewhere on the internet about Guam prepaid data. Jams206 (talk) 05:11, April 15, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wolf. It looks great, thanks for adding so much information from yourself! I think it's fine to only call it "Guam" as most people will pass through Guam on their way to CNMI. An alternative sometimes used officially is "Guam-CNMI" for short. As the other islands technically aren't under the Guam government.

All the things in the article seem plausible, and ready for publish. The most unsure part for me, is the price of the starters, which is only from memory. But I expect them all to be in the $20 range with some free credits loaded. Jams206 (talk) 21:26, April 15, 2016 (UTC)


Hi Wolfbln. Why can nobody except you edit the European Union page? I have some additional information to add but it says it's protected. NFH (talk) 09:06, April 17, 2016 (UTC)

Why did you remove all my changes for Taiwan? I was just cleaning up some misspellings and formatting the usage-based data plans to match the others. It took me a while to do all that and makes the page more readable.

Tokyojimu (talk) 16:47, April 22, 2016 (UTC)

FYI, most of the changes you said were not appropriate in the Taiwan section were not done by me. Those were edits by someone else.

Tokyojimu (talk) 14:55, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Open Signal Edit

Do you know opensignal.com, where users collect reliability and speed data using the app? On the web page, you can see the best network in the selected map section. It is nearly always accurate and could be of assistance in countries where are no professional network tests. Unless you do a speed test, the app does not consume much data, but it helps to improve the coverage map for other users. For me it was always reliable and in several countries it agrees with professionel network tests or is extremly near to them. Thanks to that service, I knew last summer already, that Vodafone  has by far the best coverage in Italy. I think that it could help also in India with the extremely fragmented mobile market, without ever having been there. I think this service is worth mentioning, it even deserves an extra page.

Grünebanane (talk) 09:32, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wolf

Indeed that is why I try to download an app first before I mention it. Even if I am not using an mexican IP. Those I mentioned I have on my phone. I google store you will see that an app is not compatible to your device if you are outside of the geo-restriction.

I used to be able to get german apps as soon as I use a german sim card, but that is also not possible anymore. Only after changing the billing adress I could... 

Yes I will finish up Zambia. been quite busy with work

Re. the Taiwan page...

Huh? You just put back all the mistakes that I took the time to correct. For example, it's "Chunghwa Telecom", not "Chungwha". 

I think it should be written as "FarEasTone". There is a little extra space before each capital so you could choose to write it as

"Far Eas Tone"

but I think the former looks (and reads) better.

I removed most references to "Ideal Card" because the card is no longer labeled or marketed with that name.

I reformatted the Data Feature Packs section to match the Airport Plans section. 

The word is "convenience store", not "convenient store".

Your other changes are related to edits made by someone else, so I have no comment on those.

I donate my time to keep various pages here up to date for the benefit of all, but why should I bother if my (perfectly reasonable) changes are all undone?

Tokyojimu (talk) 17:14, May 1, 2016 (UTC)

/* about Taiwan edit */" Edit

I agree that it's "MHz" and would never have made all those changes to "Mhz". Perhaps some (incorrect) autocorrect did it. I also would never have made changes to the frequency bands and such that you said I did, as I have no knowledge of those.

Yes, many of my changes are style related, but if they help make the article read better and add clarity, why bother to remove them? I've edited several pages on this Wiki, but maybe without logging in (or using an old username). I contributed a whole new carrier to the Jordan page for instance.

I don't understand what you mean by "So if you are so concerned about the Taiwan article, why didn't you change the infomation given and have update it. With the providers old and wrong information was given out." I did update it. You reversed my update. What old and wrong information?

The reason I deleted the reference to "60 days" is because with some of the new data plans, you are given an additional 120 or 180 days, so it no longer made sense to mention a blanket 60-day extension. Please believe me that I am meticulous and would not make bad changes.

"with T-Star you took off the 2600 MHz frequencies and the second name "Taiwan Star"

I did not. I know nothing about T-Star or their frequencies and absolutely would not have made any change like this. If the Wikia system says I did this, then their database is messed up.

Tokyojimu (talk) 17:23, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for reaching out!

Great job!!!!

I am Termini3 who edited the article about 'prepaid SIM in Korea' without permission a few days ago.

I feel sorry about that, but when I found the 'edit' button in the article, I felt to be granted to do that.

Still I have a question, "Can I edit the article?"



There are still a lot to be corrected in the article.

For example, the article says that "KT's prepaid product is called "olleh simple" and can be loaded from 4,000 to 50,000 won at retailers like 7-Eleven, CU, GS25 or By the Way." but this is not the fact.

Olleh simple is the service name of prepaid service or KT, right!

But if in convenience store, it is only for native Koreans and aliens with residence visa, not for travelers. 

And additional top up there? Absolutely impossible anywhere in CVS now. Check it out.



As you know, kt itself deny to sell it in their desks in Incheon Airport. They don't want to treat it to travelers.

Olleh SIMple for aliens seems available, I guess because you said that in the article, only in the global stores, 4 English and 4 Chinese in Seoul.

So, here are very few travelers who enjoy kt prepaid SIM service, now in Korea.



And...

Linkkorea, EG SIM, Neo Kosim and kt Mmobile...

I think the order must be reconsidered.

Linkkorea and Neo Kosim is very, very small company here in Korea.

The policy maker(Korean Government) doesn't know even the existence of such name.

I heard that Linkkorea or Neo Kosim manages just only 1~2 offline channel to meet consumer and records hundreds of sales a month at most.

But kt Mmobile and EG SIM, each has hundreds of various channel to sell the product all around Korea and records hundreds of sales "a day at least".



And EG SIM is experiencing sharp declining in sales now, because the GS25, the only CVS that sells EG SIM, made a decision to retreat from Incheon Airport, this March, 2016. 

That's the story what's happening in Korean prepaid SIM market.

That's the reason why I think that kt Mmobile must rank first after kt. 

(all 'kt' must expressed in small letter, because their slogan is that "Consumers first(capital letter), We second(small letter)")


15 days limitation was set by Korean Government Guideline who always worries register fraud.

All other companies are scheduled to be guided to follow soon, I heard.


I hope you feel free to comment to my replay.

I want there can be some detailed investigation about the situation, and the article revised.

Thank you very much...

about S. Korea edit Edit

I am Termini3 who edited the article about 'prepaid SIM in Korea' without permission a few days ago.

I feel sorry about that, but when I found the 'edit' button in the article, I felt to be granted to do that.

Still I have a question, "Can I edit the article?"



There are still a lot to be corrected in the article.

For example, the article says that "KT's prepaid product is called "olleh simple" and can be loaded from 4,000 to 50,000 won at retailers like 7-Eleven, CU, GS25 or By the Way." but this is not the fact.

Olleh simple is the service name of prepaid service or KT, right!

But if in convenience store, it is only for native Koreans and aliens with residence visa, not for travelers. 

And additional top up there? Absolutely impossible anywhere in CVS now. Check it out.



As you know, kt itself deny to sell it in their desks in Incheon Airport. They don't want to treat it to travelers.

Olleh SIMple for aliens seems available, I guess because you said that in the article, only in the global stores, 4 English and 4 Chinese in Seoul.

So, here are very few travelers who enjoy kt prepaid SIM service, now in Korea.



And...

Linkkorea, EG SIM, Neo Kosim and kt Mmobile...

I think the order must be reconsidered.

Linkkorea and Neo Kosim is very, very small company here in Korea.

The policy maker(Korean Government) doesn't know even the existence of such name.

I heard that Linkkorea or Neo Kosim manages just only 1~2 offline channel to meet consumer and records hundreds of sales a month at most.

But kt Mmobile and EG SIM, each has hundreds of various channel to sell the product all around Korea and records hundreds of sales "a day at least".



And EG SIM is experiencing sharp declining in sales now, because the GS25, the only CVS that sells EG SIM, made a decision to retreat from Incheon Airport, this March, 2016. 

That's the story what's happening in Korean prepaid SIM market.

That's the reason why I think that kt Mmobile must rank first after kt. 

(all 'kt' must expressed in small letter, because their slogan is that "Consumers first(capital letter), We second(small letter)")


15 days limitation was set by Korean Government Guideline who always worries register fraud.

All other companies are scheduled to be guided to follow soon, I heard.


I hope you feel free to comment to my replay.

I want there can be some detailed investigation about the situation, and the article revised.

Thank you very much...

Some reply to your comments (about Korea) Edit

Thank you very much for your reply. I want to express my respect for your moderation. But very sorry for you to take my words as "conplaints". I am a Korean, and am not so good at English. So, I don't know what tone you feel delicately when you read my reply. 

I want you check the message I left to Lidsim before reading this message. And here's my opinion to your reply.

  • value of airport : Koreans are not familiar with prepaid SIM and 95% of them use post paid phone. So, It is so hard to find that treat prepaid SIM even downtown. Actually, travelers may be able to buy prepaid SIM only in 8 olleh Global Stores in Seoul. So they are recommended to prepare it in airport in advance.
  • To say that "Have in mind for this extra service EG is more expensive than buying a SIM directly from KT Olleh" in EG section, or "but may be more expensive than other products sold downtown in the providers stores" in kt Mmobile section is so severe because of the few store. There are extremely rare who visit olleh global store and even kt did not want to advertise. You know that even the olleh desk in airport do not treat it.
  • There's no rank in order, OK... I am not going to tease you. You can feel the status change between EG SIM and kt Mmobile soon.
  • kt or KT? ok. I don't belong to any kt or kt Mmobile. ^^
  • 15 days limitation : I understand your meaning. As I wrote in the message to Lidsim, I hope you not to see me hide it on purpose. EG SIM has similar limitation now. They can not be extended the initial 30 days period of the SIM card by a top-up. But that was not introduced in the article. So, I was misleaded "It can be omitted". It was one of the reason.
  • Korean Government seriously takes account of tenure limitation policy in prepaid SIM from many aspects, now. Not yet implemented. But kt Mmobile is very conservative company for regulation, so it accepted the rull in advance. -.-

Thank you for your kind explaination. Welcome any reply.

Mongolia and Turkmenistan Edit

Hi!

Let's put Mongolia and Turkmenistan I've created to the list on main page (Prepaid providers with data by country (A-Z)) ?

Ipswitch (talk) 06:37, May 19, 2016 (UTC)

@Mongolia

I will try to finish Mongolia soon. There is a Mongol Rally 2016 coming soon, I have got lots of questions about mobile networks of Mongolia and decided to start this article.

MobiCom is a true leader here, I have some positive feedbacks about this operator from those who have used it.

About some flags - Crimean Peninsula has its own flag (recognized by both of countries, by the way). That's it!

1200px-Flag of Crimea.svg

Flag of Crimea

And even Transnistria has its own flag, recognized by both countries including Moldova too. Like some historical flags of the German lands or Polish regions (Wojewodstva).

So, the flag just adds a bit more information. It can be removed in any time. Some people have an ability to quickly recognize the necessary country by the flag. You can see them at currency exchange points, at different postal and delivery services, website language or country selectors, etc. They all use flags. But this is only option. We won't lose much if delete them.

@Turkmenistan

Turkmenistan looks great now! It can be on the main page now, I think. Ipswitch (talk) 17:43, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Greylist, I think. It is harder than in Tajikistan, while Tajikistan is hard, but possible and real.

Both carriers are quite usable. I have a confirmation from one person who works there as invited foreign professional and has a long-term business visa with registration and work permit. He purchased a SIM card in Altyn Asyr central office in Asgabat (The Ministry of Communications) and uses it now. They asked about visa and registration in Turkmenistan (proof of address) when buying. So, if you have an invitation, a job offer, a long-term visa - you can do it officially.

MTS is very popular among russian-speaking people of Turkmenistan. After re-opening it become a good alternative. There is no active real reasons to shut it down just now - it was a conflict of former Serdar (Sapurmurat Niyzaov the Great Turkmenbashi) with MTS, now it has been settled down, some more foreign companies interested in working there.

I do not have any information about official router or SIM card rental or borrow services, but it is possible to find a local who agreed to register or bribe the sales klerk.

Having a short-term (normal visitor) or transit visa, it can be hard or impossible to buy it officially. As a normal visitor, you will have a registration card from the hotel or tourist office, but you won't have freedom even to enter their office! Thay watch for a tourists a lot. Guard and guide follows you like in Northern Korea organized tours.

Having a transit visa, you will have some time and freedom to cross the country and you can go and try to do it illegally, because with a transit visa you can't have a police registration! Sometimes a visa only can be enough, but all of this is debatable.

By the way, Internet access in Turkmenistan is really censored, but not too much. There is no systems like Chinese firewall or global Russian blacklist, but lots of well-known western (and even Chinese) websites and services blocked, including LiveJournal, Facebook, YouTube, WhatsApp, WeChat, Line. The Internet access is very slow and expensive, yeah. WiFi can be rare.

But it is not like in Northern Korea. Since 2013, more than 15 public internet access points opened in Asgabat.

@Russia

SIM-SIM - a bit more time to test it is needed for me. I have some experience.

Hello. Edit

  1. Could you please add link to North Korea to the main page? I have just created a page for it.
  2. I think you better clean up and protect your user page as it seems like someone mistakened your user page as user talk pgae and leave his message there...

Qunow (talk) 17:15, May 29, 2016 (UTC)``

  1. I was not talking about your user talk page. I was talking about your user page.
  2. Can you link those rules and guidelines in the monobook skins' sidebar?

Thanks for your effort.Qunow (talk) 23:41, May 29, 2016 (UTC)

  1. About Wimax: Regular WiMax (as described in my first addition to the article) are not interoperatable with most phones on the earth. But WiMax 2.1 (or WiMax 2+ according to marketing term) is another different technology that does not compatible with the original WiMax and instead it compatible with LTE-TDD. It mean you can plug in their SIM card to any ordinary LTE-TDD device that support same frequency and use it normally.
  2. About North Korea: I just realized that one of the source did have mentioned those data plans are given to foreigners who stay in there and since foreigner line is postpaid according to info on this wiki so I figured that's mostly irrelevant.

Qunow (talk) 04:05, May 31, 2016 (UTC)

will do more changes to Israel Prepaid sim later on

need to add gneral info on where to get sims and also worning on buying sims in the airport and from "turist" companies. heared horror stories from people i meet Iakovl (talk) 06:32, May 31, 2016 (UTC)iakovl

Hi, 

This is SooYong Chang from NeoKoSIM in Korea..

I'd like to update our content in wikia page, because our service expanded more as before.

I couldn't find out edit button (Only viewscreen is shown) and update our new content.

Please let me know how to edit it and soon hope.

Best regards, 

P.S

Contents to be updated are below. 

Availability (Before Change)Edit

You can order online on their website and will receive a PDF voucher via your e-mail after payment. SIMs can be picked up at Incheon airport, at the Olleh KT roaming center (gate 6) inside in the arrival hall 1F.  

Availability (After Change)Edit

You can order online on their website and will receive a PDF voucher via your e-mail after payment in case of purchasing data only pass. You can order online on their website and will receive a PDF voucher via your e-mail and will pay when you pick up sim in case of purchasing data and voice pass. SIMs can be picked up at Incheon airport, at the Olleh KT roaming center (gate 6) inside in the arrival hall 1F.  

Prices (Before Change)Edit

  • 10-day pass for US$ 36 (~ KRW 40,000)
  •      5-day pass for US$ 28 (~ KRW 30,000)

Prices (Before Change)

 1) Data only pass  : No need to return SIM, SIM fee included


  • 10-day pass for US$ 36 (~ KRW 40,000, tax incl.)  
  •   5-day pass for US$ 28 (~ KRW 30,000, tax incl.)

2) Voice and Data pass : SIM should be returned


  • 5- day pass for  22,000 KRW  (~20 US$, tax incl.)
  • 10-day pass for  33,000 KRW (~30 US$, tax incl.)
  • 30-day pass for  44,000 KRW (~40 US$, tax incl.)Neokosim (talk) 14:36, June 3, 2016 (UTC)sooyong changNeokosim (talk) 14:36, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

BarbadosEdit

Just wondering if Barbados is planned to be added any time soon? Right now it is only mentioned on the Cayman Islands Roam Like Home for Digicel. Thanks for all the good work. Lightdatatraveler (talk) 19:27, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

NauruEdit

Can you please link Nauru on the home page? Added SIM price and updated package prices

Phcoder (talk) 22:28, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Samoa Edit

Hey, I wrote a page about Samoa. Can it be linked from main page? I read your changes to Samoa article and they're fine. I was going to write American Samoa as separate article as even frequencies differ but same article should also be OK. As next countries I thought of one of: Algeria, Venezuela, Saint Martin+Sint Maarten, St Helena, Solomon Islands, Cambodia.

Phcoder (talk) 14:47, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

I somehow missed that Cambodia is already covered.

I added SIM price for Digicel Samoa. Thank you for linking it to main page.

As for "unconnected" countries and territories I meant like Pitcairn, Tristan da Cunha, likely some disputed territories.

"Unconnected" listEdit

What about a third list in addition to black and grey list: list of countries and territories with no mobile network? This seems to me to be different from both black and greylist with both containing countires with at least some network.

Hi

About the format. It is good you mention this.

I was about to add Vectone Mobile. I bought a sim yesterday in denmark in a Shop in Grindsted. 

they have also nice data packages. And use Telia as its MNO. http://www.vectonemobile.dk/en/

Hi Wolf

Let's publish Zambia.. can you do your magic touch if needed ? 

Xavier1978 (talk) 10:36, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Zambia Edit

Hi Wolf

Airtel tells me on their site the APN is 575.... http://www.africa.airtel.com/wps/wcm/connect/AfricaRevamp/Zambia/home/Personal/internet/internet-services/power-of-3.75g

Anyway I have made some touch-ups based on your suggestions. Regarding Zamtel I made a small remark of being least customer oriented. I prefer to stay diplomatic as I have not seen such reports. 

The MTN Rates have been updated as well.. these are real new rates as of june 1st.. how fast can things change. 

Xavier1978 (talk) 18:46, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Saint Pierre et Miquelon Edit

Hey, do you have any indication that there id data on St Pierre & Miquelon's network? AFAICT both providers propose only calls & text and some tariffs with wifi passes. Any indications any operators actually goes for 4G? I found only references indicating that 4G license is available but AFAICT nobody tries to get it

Phcoder (talk) 14:47, June 13, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with your points and what I want is to move it to blacklist as their network is a voice and calls only. I actually like Black and Grey lists but I think that those countries still should appear in general list, possibly with a link to blacklist if no better page is available.

Phcoder (talk) 05:04, June 15, 2016 (UTC)

Non GSM network Edit

  • IIRC The main reason why only GSM networks are listed is because other networks are not available to most phones
  • How about when those networks are available to other people via wifi either in package or when visitors have to rent/buy the hotspot device on their own?
  • Or how about when those options are the only option in the area?
  • Or how about when non-GSM options are significantly much cheaper/higher in speed/better in coverage than GSM options?

For instance, a while ago I tried to add a satellite section to the global page but it get deleted because it was not applicable to most phones on the world, but those options usually come with a device that can convert satellite signal into wifi signal that most phones can use and you can't connect to internet via any other fashion in many places in the world. I think that should probably be added back to the wiki? Or because there are actually many different satellite internet service provider in the world for regions that are otherwise without internet access, would it also worth a separate page? Qunow (talk) 23:11, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Bug (?) report Edit

in homepage, when you click the wifi hotspot link under all countries, it go to prepaid sim's article instead.Qunow (talk) 00:31, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

3 AT (in German) Edit

Bitte aktualisiere die Seite Österreich, 3 hat sowohl im Chip als auch im Connect Netztest gewonnen und ist auch bei OpenSignal vorne. 

Grünebanane (talk) 11:29, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

About North Korea Edit

I just asked others who are apparently more knowledgable at https://m.reddit.com/r/northkorea/comments/4omfku/can_visitors_use_mobile_internet_in_north_korea/ , it seems like the situation about prepaid sim in North Korea is more complicated than it seems....

Qunow (talk) 12:10, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

CDMA Edit

There is actually pretty high number of devices with CDMA even from GSM countries as newest Apple devices always support CDMA and other vendors may do the same. Now CDMA is treated very differently by different operators. In some countries they have RUIM and you can simply buy prepaid RUIM and put it into your phone, just like with prepaid SIM (e.g in China, India). Others will not accept any device not sold by them or will charge a fee and waiting period for flashing of your device (e.g. IDC in Transnistria) and flashing is likely to destroy any other CDMA subscriptions not on RUIM. IMO RUIM-based CDMA should be part of the wiki but at the end of articles, with special banner and a link to special CDMA page. Some CDMA providers are city-wide, and probably should be excluded as well. Non-RUIM or other networks not allowing generic CDMA phones (apparently south Korea uses RUIM but blocks generic phones) should be listed only if they offer significant advantage like large coverage (Verizon) or being the only carrier in the region (IDC). Also in this case we need to indicate price of cheap phone and mifi from this provider. If you agree with such guidelines, I can write a page about CDMA formalising those. Just my 2 cents. Phcoder (talk) 11:38, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

IsraelEdit

as Israeli sim card are over priced right now in SimVisit and other sellers online i'm considering the option to actualy sell them online and save people some cost as the prices are high as hell... is this "legit" option for the WIKI? i just feel bad for people who do buy overpriced sims online or at israel. basic sim shouldn't be over 50NIS ~13USD + 20 NIS ~5 USD shipping + fees... should be sold more then 20USD

Iakovl (talk) 14:16, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Satellite internetEdit

For mobile stations situation is pretty grim: roaming-like rates, gprs-like speed (edge-like speed at best). Some providers rate by connection time rather than by volume. If you're able to put a satellite dish either permanently or semi-mobile (e.g. on a trailer) it goes a long way in reducing price and increasing speed as more providers become available. Then some providers are strictly regional covering from one country to a continent. Interestingly some satellite providers use SIM cards. Another way to have decent rates is to restrict to few applications. E.g. there are good rates if all you care about is messaging and GPS tracking. All in all satellite consumer satellite communication is passionating topic and afaik there is no good overview anywhere, so an unbiased page here would be welcome. If we decide to host it here, it needs to be clearly segregated. Phcoder (talk) 19:20, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Wolf

I noticed you removed the EU roaming packs for Red Bull mobile in Poland.

These packages are still available.. I can still book them myself. Also I notice you removed my reference to play app. This one is not region registricted (at least for Android). 

Xavier1978 (talk) 11:32, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

Blacklist and Greylist bannersEdit

Thank you for adopting the Greylist banner I have made recently. I wanted to make it more visible. JPG is not good for text, images, maps, diagrams - it compreses them too much. PNG is a good choice for these things.

I am not a designer, but can try to make some more necessary simple elements if needed.

Ipswitch (talk) 17:47, July 16, 2016 (UTC)


Vodafone.de without LTE bands 3/20Edit

Thanks for your detailed answer!

My comment might have been too specific but I was sure someone would edit it to fill out the gaps. When I try to use the SIM card, the phone shows I'm connected via 3G and not LTE - that's fine with me as I don't download movies here, just need basic connectivity. But apps like whatsapp, facebook messenger, telegram, and even my stock trading app don't work at all, it's not that they work slowly as you suggested. I tried to limit my connection to 3G and even 2G via the Android settings, but nothing changes. The OnePlus one supports the following bands/frequencies:

GSM: 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA bands 1/2/4/5/8, LTE bands: 1/3/4/7/17/38/40

I'd be very grateful if you could tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'd love to use Vodafone.de even on 3G. In any case I think there's maybe room for supported devices? Or would the list be too long or too hard to maintain?

Thanks again! Talsela (talk) 16:13, July 19, 2016 (UTC)talsela

 

Follow up

By default the APN was set to Fonic (pinternet.interkom.de) so I set it to web.vodafone.de the day I got the SIM card. Currently I'm seeing the connection as H+ (3G) and Speedtest doesn't work (stuck on 'testing ping') - I am getting the advertisements though ;). The rest of the apps - as I said, I'm getting mostly facebook, web browsing, and google maps.

I tried to use 2G (so I get Edge) but that doesn't change things.

Is there any other way you can communicate? Gtalk?

Tal.

Hi Wolfbln,

Thanks for your message and all the great work you do for this comprehensive and useful Wikia, especially the Sweden page.

Earlier, I thought that the billing address and SEK currency of the payment card mattered. But Ipswich in another comment confirmed that a UK-issued card did work, so I guess I was wrong. 

It seems that any payment card issued in the EU's SEPA (Single European Payment Area) should work for online reloads.

My speculation is that blocking of non-EU SEPA cards for online credit reloads is done to push frequent visitors and yet-to-be-registered residents of Sweden to use EU SEPA payment cards instead. That way, detection of tax evasion, money laundering or even terrorism funding would improve. I haven't found any info online to confirm if this is in fact the case though.

And it would be interesting to find out if blocking of non EU SEPA cards is happening in other EU countries as well or if it's only happening in Sweden at the moment.

Hope this helps. Best regards 

Andygmz (talk) 10:53, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Eritrea Edit

Why did you revert Eritrea part of Blacklist? CDMA network there is WLL and not for mobile phones (I could find articles referring to it as "fixed CDMA" Phcoder (talk) 22:15, July 31, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed CDMA is when CDMA is just used to deliver last mile for landline. It's also known as wireless local loop (WLL). Often fixed CDMA network will hard link every phone to a single cell, hence not allowing any mobility. This is basically a landline when company decides to save few bucks and not lay physical cables. I just wanted to make it clear that CDMA network there is not an option either. At this point Eritrean article would be incomplete as their provider doesn't publish a lot of useful info. I'm happy to put together the little I managed to gather about them

Hi, any updates on data sims/mobile service in Vietnam?

I understand 4G is coming this year, is it widespread yet?


I plan on taking my mifi box from US for a 3week trip, mostly at the beaches.

Thanks, Bukzin

Bukzin (talk) 14:42, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Spain SIM cards Edit

Hello! We are a mobile operator www.spaininternet.net that rents data sim cards and wifi/mifi hotpots with unlimited internet traffic in Spain. Can anyone tell me if I can edit the page http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Spain to display our rates? Thanks!

Hi Wolf

I received a message back from Djezzy. Yes it is possible to get a pre-paid SIM as tourist, but indeed you need to have a notarised copy of your passport or any official ID. 

Xavier1978 (talk) 12:15, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Crimea Edit

Please could you permission me to edit Crimea. I would like to tidy up the English as well as explain the current status of the territory in a more factual way, and avoiding subjective language, that will please both Russians and Ukrainians. NFH (talk) 11:31, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Survey Edit

I'm seeing the word "survey" used incorrectly on a lot of pages. The most frequent meaning of this noun is definitions 3 and 4 at https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/survey which is not the intended meaning here. The best word I can think of for this context is "guide". NFH (talk) 19:32, November 21, 2016 (UTC)

More S. Korea Edit

I noticed that the S. Korea page is now protected... I was going to make a few changes:

New service: Yassgo. Just got back to S. Korea and picked up a SIM from (yet another) new MVNO, Yassgo . In-person service was very good (I met their customer service at the airport and chatted with them a bit about their business), and their rates (US $0.99/day +10% VAT) are currently the best I know of for unlimited LTE data on KT. Limitations: Their business model involves installing an app (currently Android only) that displays tourist-targeted ads. SIMs must be booked in the app 3 days in advance of arrival (but you can contact them on Facebook, as I did, to get a SIM in a shorter timeframe). SIMs must be returned (but this is true for KT's official SIMs as well as a few other MVNOs) or forfeit a deposit of US $8.99. 

KT M-Mobile - remove or heavily demote. As you might recall, the company pushed themselves into the wiki very aggressively and without disclosure, claiming that they were a subsidiary of KT, and we had to make a lot of edits to clean it up (though the section is still messy). They are currently one of the first companies displayed in the wiki. However, I dug into their company registration - there is no evidence that they are in fact a KT subsidiary, and not just another MVNO. See the company registration information. This indicates that they are actually part of the company "Prepia", which markets prepaid SIMs in Korea from both KT and SK. If they were in fact a KT subsidiary, I would have expected them to be sold from the KT company counters at the airport. At the time they were inserting themselves into the wiki, they also claimed that everyone had heard of them and they were the most popular service. This is simply not true; their own Facebook page now shows that they began service only in 2015. Given their aggressivly deceptive marketing tactics I would either remove them entirely from the wiki or at very least demote them heavily.

Updates: KT SIM Card rental (section 2.4.1) should be updated to include taxes. Their rates are actually identical to two of their MVNOs - Link Korea and NeokoSIM. SK Telecom also has some good rates for fixed-allowance data that should be added. Also, these work on 4G. These are arguably better rates than the 3G-only KT fixed-allowance data MVNOs. However, when I went to check at Incheon airport today, they were out of SIMs. 

Finally, I would probably bump section 2.4 (KT olleh mobile rental) up to the top of the KT section - it is by far the most convenient (though maybe not the cheapest) option as they have counters at almost all of the international airports, and do not require prepayment/prebooking/vouchers. kt olleh prepaid SIM cards (currently section 2.1) are currently not available at the airports - you have to go to a KT store in the city and try your luck with the staff's lack of English.

Lidsim (talk) 07:50, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hey! Im actually entirely knew to this so I have to sit down and read up how to send messages and things like that before making any further edits. I wasn't even aware you had sent me feedback on the edits! Just a general question, are you from Taiwan or living in Taiwan? Because a lot of the information is outdated . And while ago respect that you probably don't want to use Chinese in the wikis, having that there and people just being able to point to things is invaluable as a tourist or as a foreigner when first arriving here as a lot of times Taiwanese don't speak English. Give me a while to look over your feedback and I will respond again! Sorry, Chris --Kesenwang (talk) 20:22, December 13, 2016 (UTC)chrys

Coook islands are forgotten, but there is a lot of tourist here from NZ. And very easy to make page, as only one operator is available.

http://www.bluesky.co.ck/content/page/mobile-prepaid/m/2/

You can buy sim card in airport, in baggage area, before customers. You can pay using credit card or cash(NZD).

Klim123123 (talk) 01:03, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

Hello !Edit
The airBalticcard Mobile is run since 2006 by Edit
SIA Nordic Airline SystemsEdit
RigaEdit
LatviaEdit
Registration number 40103753888Edit
VAT number LV40103753888 Edit

Yes, please list it in all countries article, if you want. Its will be great !

Please let us know how we have to change our words and which data you need from us.

Best regards

Maris


Please use admin at airbalticcard.com

TongaEdit

Hi, i just created Tonga page and finished most of the text. Please finish it with some tech. data and post to main page. Thank you!

Klim123123 (talk) 04:43, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

NiueEdit

Hi. I can create Niue page. They have mobile network, but only for calls and sms. But to use internet you need to go to telecom office, there is no any other place to get good internet. May be we still need to make page? Because there is no any information about internet in Niue anywhere, i can post my expirience and all prices and places where to go, to get it.

Klim123123 (talk) 09:27, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

VanuatuEdit

Hi. Please finish Vanuatu page, i just create it and added links and bundles info. THANK YOU for you work!

Just edited price for sim, everything looks fine. You can post link on main page.

Klim123123 (talk) 01:41, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

TuvaluEdit

Hi. Today is Tuvalu, i prepared some info, please check the page and edit in your style. If you will not find TTC logo, i will upload tommorow from their office.

Klim123123 (talk) 09:01, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your editing! Where did you found TTC logo? I looked everywhere. :)

Please add flag of Tuvalu and you can link it to main page.

Klim123123 (talk) 21:17, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Solomon'sEdit

Hey, thank you for filling up Solomon's. I think it's now ready to be linked. I thought of writing articles for Ascension and Falkland Islands. They're similar to St Helena but are subtly different. Another thought: when several countries or territories are in the same article, can we link that article several times and have a redirect? Also I thought of expanding on countries in Blacklist with no mobile network into full articles by writing how to get WiFi there. Phcoder (talk) 22:50, January 17, 2017 (UTC)

Hello!

Can I be allowed to edit the comment sections especially on the Philippines? A lot of unacceptable comments there that tarnishes the quality of this fine resource.

BR

Arneby (talk) 09:19, January 19, 2017 (UTC) 

if i'm not mistaken you are from berlin... have a trip there next month if you want to say hi to another wiki editor 

KiribatiEdit

Hi 

Just posted some info about Kiribati. Please edit it with your style! And thank you again!

Hi Wolf

I am the fandom user who discovered that scarlet, aldi talk and mobile vikings are only allowing registration online.

That is the reason why am also starting to remove them from the page.

I tried to online register my Jim Mobile with my ID card but that failed as well, so I will have to visit a shop as well. I will let you know how that went.

Hi Wolf

As I am belgian citizen i do have an e-id but because I now live in Germany even for me the registration online for JIM MOBILE failed because it did not accept the belgian address (maybe because they had mail returned like with Fonic in Germany). So even against own citizens living abroad they discriminate as I cannot enter a german address here.

I will let you know when I have success.. BTW I will make some time again soon to finish off Algeria. BTW Youfone seems to sell prepaid with data in Germany as well, they have shops (at least I saw one in Bremen). I guess they are using O2 network.

Hi Wolf

There is no hint also not in Flemish or French whatsoever on how to activate the SIM Card without electronic ID card. The electronic functionality is only activated for Belgians living in Belgium and Belgian Permanent residents. Even I cannot use my Belgian ID as there is no Belgian address on it. I heard in Germany they want to do the same + Meldebestätigung.... Not a good development at all.

I have suspended the listing of Lycamobile BE as well put a warning on the Lycamobile page. When an offline way for registration is confirmed accessible to non-residents we can list them again.

Xavier1978 (talk) 12:38, February 7, 2017 (UTC)


Hi Wolf,


I made some changes on Prepaid Data SIM Card Wiki but, fmor some reason I wasn't logged in Google Chrome, therefore I've received this message:

"Hi, I'm an admin for the Prepaid Data SIM Card Wiki community. Welcome and thank you for your edit to Ireland! Please sign in and create a user name. It's an easy way to keep track of your contributions and helps you communicate with the rest of the community.

If you need help getting started, check outour help pages or contact me or another admin here. For general help, you could also stop by Community Central to explore the forums and blogs.

Please leave me a message if I can help with anything. Enjoy your time at Prepaid Data SIM Card Wiki!

User talk:Wolfbln"

Let me know if you have any questions.

Cheers

Have left some updated info on Viettel in the comments section for Vietnam. JohnJ1000

'Kyivstar and' Lifecell [1]Edit

I think we should put both to "All Countries" list after EU page dies. I tested most of simcards from "All Countries" list. And for me in most cases Kyivstar is the best, always very fast romaing internet, you can connect mostly to any network in country and etc. I will test Lifecell in next few months and will post my comments.

Pixel in CDMA for USEdit

Hello. Verizon article needs a lot of corrections that I'm doing now. Why can't I mention Pixels and Xiaomi several times? IPhones and especially IPhone 6 is mentioned in every second line. I merged BYOD and bringing device from another carrier sections as they are actually the same. I'll get to Micronesia a bit later

Micronesia and PalauEdit

I think Micronesia and Palau should be good for linking unless I forgot sth.

Saint Pierre et MiquelonEdit

I'm still researching whether WiFi from globaltel is accessible to visitors and prices. BTW "cheznoo" is hosting offer, not related to other businesses Phcoder (talk) 01:07, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

AlgeriaEdit

Hi Wolfbln.. I assembled all information that I could find and finished the page for Algeria

Can you add it ? maybe you can add some small things I could not find.

Xavier1978 (talk) 12:05, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Wolf

Not much info available but this is what I could gather on DJIBOUTI. Not much choise there. Need to find APN.

Hi 

Ok I added some of your comments to Djibouti. Next page started is Mauritania. Had a silent afternoon in the office.. that is why it took a while to finish Algeria. 

Xavier1978 (talk)

Hi Wolf

Thank you for the touch-up on Djibouti.. 

I was having doubts on SIM price as on same page contradicting info was shown... 1000 Francs or 2000 francs with 500 Francs credit as shown in the image below. My tendency is to then take the most expensive option and then be pleasantly surprised if it was 1000 indeed.

Xavier1978 (talk)

Hi Wolf.. 

Let's add Mauritania and Djibouti

-)


Xavier1978 (talk)

GuyanaEdit

Should be ready for linking Phcoder (talk) 21:24, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Norfolk IslandEdit

They are really tricky. I looked into it myself and the new pages pretty much details all the info available on it. They likely have data as Telstra sells data roaming with them. They likely sell it locally as well as APN is known. But AFAICT they don't resell the data locally to particular. Their price list is very detailed but lacks any data prices. The only actually useful info is about WiFi hotspots. I think it's bound to get on Blacklist. Page needs warning that there is no data on that SIM and description on how to get on wifi. But absence of locally resold data is more of educated guess at this point. I think we should drop them an email, they might respond. I can take care of emailing them if you want. Phcoder (talk) 22:13, March 17, 2017 (UTC) Addendum: I wrote E-Mail. There is enough information on the net to document WiFi there. And since it will go on greylist or blacklist anyway documenting WiFi is warranted. So we can have enough material for a page in any case. Phcoder (talk) 06:17, March 18, 2017 (UTC) I contacted operator and got no answer. I contacted tourism office. They basically were not aware of data on mobile network, so together with other indications it's safe to assume that there is no data on SIM for retail non-roaming customers. I documented this on the page. Should be ready for linking. Phcoder (talk) 07:29, March 21, 2017 (UTC)

CarribeanEdit

How similar are different digicel and lime? Can we perhaps have a wiki template and just change prices and frequencies in it's parameters? Phcoder (talk) 22:15, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

PolishWifiEdit

Shouldn't mifi rent offer in Poland article be removed? Phcoder (talk) 05:57, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

DjiboutiEdit

Djibouti is ok now ? I mean from a user perspective ? It has not been add yet..

St. HelenaEdit

Why Greylist? It's not 2G-only but 2G+4G Phcoder (talk) 16:24, March 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hi wolf

It looks like registration is having its child deseases. What I also read in this report from vtmniews is that Base (Telenet) and proximus only seem to accept belgian e-id in their shops and are therefore are the only ones compliant. If it means that a foreign passport should not be accepted we may end up with belgium being the first blacklisted EU country. I would add lyca but reports that after few days the sim is made inactive is worrying. Need to keep an eye on situation.

Poland has started blocking unregisterd sim cards including mine. I visited poland and visited a play shop and my sim was active again in a few minutes including the balance.

Cook islandsEdit

I'm on Cook islands and have Bluesky sim so can discover any missing info for it easily. Is there any info it's missing for "golden standard"? Phcoder (talk) 00:11, March 27, 2017 (UTC) I checked the page and I believe it's correct. I didn't verify:

  • Any other places to buy sim besides airport and Bluesky shop
  • I didn't try to buy echarge yet.
  • I didn't try hotspot yet.

MicronesiaEdit

Already documented and linked. Phcoder (talk) 09:41, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

BlacklistEdit

Gathering all Australian territories in same segment sounds interesting but I don't care either way and it's easier to group no-mobile territories separately from 2G-voice only. Perhaps group Australian territories in 2 segments? Phcoder (talk) 09:41, March 28, 2017 (UTC)

ParaguayEdit

Article on Paraguay is ready Phcoder (talk) 21:56, March 27, 2017 (UTC)

Sint MaartenEdit

Sint Maarten is ready. Phcoder (talk) 03:34, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

I think having St. Martin article for both sides makes sense as Dauphin seamlessly transitions to Telcell and UTS from one side to the other. We just need to make sure that there are sufficient number of cross:links between French West Indies and St. Martin both ways Phcoder (talk) 10:43, March 29, 2017 (UTC)

São_Tomé_and_PríncipeEdit

I wrote a page São_Tomé_and_Príncipe. I couldn't discover Unitel frequencies or their APN. Phcoder (talk) 17:23, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with rename. As for 3x promo, it ends today, so I don't think it's worth mentioning Phcoder (talk) 20:09, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Voice-only SIMs in Saint-Pierre and Norfolk IslandEdit

I think it makes sense to document them as local calls are important on those islands. In other countries voice/texts is a cheap bonus of getting SIM for data but on those islands they're important out of themselves. Phcoder (talk) 17:23, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

If you travel as a group, you need a way to connect to each other. Usually messages over mobile data are very convenient way to do so. But on NI and SPM, it's a no-go. Also connecting to local businesses requires a local phone. The problem isn't do much to mention the rates but that the sections like "Availability" are also missing. Phcoder (talk) 20:18, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

For Morocco where VoIP situation is volatile the wiki publishes IDD rates as an alternative. I feel like situation of not having mobile data requires similar exception for local calls. Phcoder (talk) 20:29, April 1, 2017 (UTC)

Marshall IslandsEdit

I wrote short article about them with all info I could find. I still don't know their frequency. Likely 900 MHz but not sure. Phcoder (talk) 08:47, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

Ships, airplanes, satelliteEdit

What kind of articles do you expect for those?

  • Ships and airplanes AFAIK don't issue SIMs for their networks. Roaming on them is always very expensive as operators bill the same independently of which ship/airplane system is used. So they bill highest ship/airplane price around the world. Good thing is that some ships like Helsinki-Tallinn ferry just use MCC/MNC of the country providers and billed the same rate (Finnish and Estonian networks in case of Helsinki-Tallinn).
  • GSM-covered airplanes often have WiFi that is significantly cheaper.
  • Satellite connections are expensive from anything you can carry in a normal backpack. There are reasonably priced alternatives for fixed or van-attached systems but nothing for handhelds or even close. Speeds and latency are often an issue as well. So one needs to adjust their expectations when using those systems. In practice ability to send few messages is more valuable than ability to access internet at those speeds and prices. There are 4 systems for handhelds: Irridium, Inmarsat, Thuraya and Globalstar, supplemented by few regional ones like TerreStar. I can make an article but it will have to include non-data applications as well. Obviously it would be a separate article with ample warning of the need of additional devices and GSM-incompatibility. My personal choice is delorme inreach. It doesn't give internet access but allows sending and receiving SMS and emails. Has tracking functionality sent to satellite and weather forecasts.

Phcoder (talk) 20:02, April 4, 2017 (UTC)

The most reliable source for country code and IDD prefix is libphonenumber: https://github.com/googlei18n/libphonenumber/blob/master/resources/PhoneNumberMetadata.xml . Country code and whether leading zero is significant (like in Italy) or not can be useful. As for IDD prefix I think we should rather encourage usage of E164 format with plus rather than legacy IDD prefix.

As for satellite communication I think the message should be that users shouldn't expect fast cheap internet but that it's a good thing for safety, messages, short calls and targeted info and is the only communication far from civilisation. Phcoder (talk) 02:47, April 9, 2017 (UTC)

As for airplanes and ships we should probably explain common pitfalls and how to avoid them. Phcoder (talk) 02:48, April 9, 2017 (UTC)

Cocos Keeling IslandsEdit

CKI is ready for linking. Phcoder (talk) 23:59, April 13, 2017 (UTC)

China Unicom (HK)Edit

China Unicom HK was at some point moved to China article. Unfortunately some of the offers there are only for Hong Kong and not roaming in China. It's very confusing Should we move those parts to Hong Kong article or remove them? Phcoder (talk) 13:14, April 17, 2017 (UTC) Why did you took down USSD codes for CMHK? They are very useful.

China Unicom HK non-roaming is still there. I think you confused China Unicom and China Mobile.

Phcoder (talk) 15:41, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

I'm using USSD code for CMHK data-only you removed right now in mainland China. For voice+data packaging clearly states it's for both: https://goo.gl/photos/xRNTwAWUqpsqBXff7 . I can check that it really works if needed.

Phcoder (talk) 16:03, April 17, 2017 (UTC)

Roaming in greylist and blacklisted countries Edit

Can you clarify when we can have a section about roaming SIMs. I was under impression that it's fine to add roaming SIMs if all of following is true:

  • Roaming is on prepaid SIM
  • Country is greylisted or blacklisted
  • Roaming for data is at reasonable price

Did I get it wrong? Phcoder (talk) 09:45, April 24, 2017 (UTC)

Burkina Faso Edit

Hi Wolf

Let's get Burkina Faso linked. It is ready for as far as I have been able to find information and usable from user perspective. The smallest operater has a website that is really 'old' so we will need local contribution there. Quite charming that depending on operators you choose a fruit for a recharge voucher ;-) maybe you can add some from your sources ?

Algeria and India Edit

I think it makes sense to have "All countries", add there offers like Kyivstar and Lifecell. Then we can link there from problematic counties mentioning additionally which ones offer best rates in a given country. This could contain proliferation of overpriced offers across the wiki. I wasn't aware of Lifecell for India, hence I didn't add it. If you feel like Lifecell+Kyivstar recommendation on India article makes sense, I'll add them. Otherwise I don't care too much as likely India will likely leave Greylist as it seems that registration gets better. Can we remove spam comment in India article? I'm interested in becoming the second admin but I don't give any specific promises as to my availability. Phcoder (talk) 17:12, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

I killed spam edit but the author repeated it as a comment and I can't delete comments. [Got it. Better delete or you get spam in the mail] I'll answer later about the rest. Phcoder (talk) 20:15, April 28, 2017 (UTC)

EEA vs EU Edit

What you have changed the text to on the European Union page is wrong. And now I can't correct it because you have protected the page.

The term EEA is widely understood by English speakers, even by many ignorant Brexit voters, and this article is written in English. Why do you insist on writing "EU" where the applicable area is the EEA? Look at Regulation (EU) 2015/2120 for example, which states clearly at the top "Text with EEA relevance". It does not state "Text with EU relevance"! Just because "EEA" is not a term that you personally have heard as much as "EU", it does not mean that you should be imposing the wrong term upon readers. We should be educating readers with the correct term instead of encouraging the wrong term (which the likes of the Daily Mail do as well). I suggest a compromise, which is to state "EU/EEA" in every instance of reference to territorial scope. NFH (talk) 12:04, April 29, 2017 (UTC)

I'm back! Edit

Hi Wolfbln

Lost my account details for a while, but I'm back...

I got the information about North Korea mobile data from a youtube video. Can't remember what video it was but here is the playlist. He was on a 10 day tour and was offered mobile data at a very expensive rate. 

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKdBO8TXUFBgaqcNCd8xyokjUFEdUu9LU

I've found it: https://youtu.be/Wb_7zwIO7xY?t=3m17s Fascinating series of videos. NFH (talk) 17:37, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

Another thing which I've love your opinion about would be the inclusion of credit expiry in all articles and also sim expiry as a default thing. I'm happy to start adding them as I think sim expiry is important, especially for return trips to a country.

Mbbuser (talk) 11:52, April 30, 2017 (UTC)

I totally agree with this comment. Most articles are missing expiry information, but unfortunately this is an omission by contributors, not by the admin/moderator. Whenever I know an expiry policy, I always add it. NFH (talk) 17:20, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

Simplification of new EU article Edit

Hi Wolfbln

With the forthcoming change on 15th June 2017, I've read the new EU roaming article in more detail, and I've noticed that there's considerable duplication, subjective commentary and superfluous information.

I propose to simply the article into the following sections:

  1. Introduction (explaining basic principle)
  2. Geographic scope
  3. Exclusions
    1. Excluded communications
    2. Fair use policies
  4. Future changes (e.g. reduction in wholesale caps)
  5. History (incorporating relevant parts of previous article)

I'm not going to make any changes yet as I feel it would be more productive first to get your buy-in to this proposal. Do you agree? NFH (talk) 13:38, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

Denmark and EU roaming Edit

Hi Wolf, I made some updates myself and will be visiting Denmark this weekend. I read about maybe 2 possible new entrants here: Nettalk from the Netto Supermarket chain and OK. Catch with these two is that while they are pay as you go, they have a minimum usage per month. As the number of pre-paid offers is quite limited in Denmark and especially with roaming possibilities for non-residents. Let me check if it is possible to find these sims off-line, else indeed we keep them out. I checked and it seems you can buy the sim cards on the spot... but...you need to activate them online with a CPR number. The Nettalk is called UDEN ABONNEMENT which just means "WITHOUT SUBSCRIPTION" and OK is called OK MOBIL BASIS with no monthly fee, but a minimum usage of 10 DKK per month. For now I put a warning about them until I have confirmation that they can be activated without a CPR or a work-around CPR (999999999).

Hi wolf

Seems like Germany is making registration and activation even more complex than Algeria if Telekom and others ask for a Meldebestätigung or you need to find a Wifi to get activated. greylist germany ?

If Telekom requests a german utility bill or meldebestätigung you cannot recommend them to visitors. Since the new Meldegesetz you cannot even get an Aufenthaltsbestätigung anymore vom Meldeamt.. if they accept a hotel address by a card or letter from Hotel as workaround then ok..else I would delist any operator or warn against them that make activation difficult for people from countries like Thailand or Senegal. Is Germany the new India ? 7 Xavier1978 (talk)

Hi Wolf Ich habe den Tread gefolgt. Ich bleibe beim gedanken wir sollen Telekom und Congstar behandeln wie Nettalk und OK in Dänemark die mit CPR nummer vom Meldeamt für Besucher nicht geeignet sind. Dass heist entweder rausnemen oder versehen von einen Roten Aufkleber "Difficult to activate for non-residents and therefore not recommended." Wir sehen auch in andere Länder solche Beispiele wo Operator die Activierung ein großen Aufwand machen. Dann können wir den Greylist rausnehmen es ist ja schlicht ein Problem der Betreiber. Auch ist es so daß mehr und mehr EU Personalausweise die Adresse nicht zeigen werden oder nur im Chip speichern. Xavier1978 (talk)

Africa againEdit

Hi Wolf. 

I am working on Togo, Benin and Ivory Coast. The last one is difficult to finish because MTN is not mentioning it's data packages. 

Togo is ready and can be add, though from MOOV i had to check via their facebook because their own site is giving me randsome attack warnings.  Next will be Benin and then hopefully Ivory Coast if I get some intelligence on MTN there. Next i propose to do are Cameroon, Guinee-Conakry, Chad, Niger, Ghana, Liberia, Central African Republic..so slowly we will get that continent covered ;-).

Let's hope Telekom in Germany is going to relax, else they may see people running to Vodafone and O2 

Xavier1978 (talk) 11:49, August 11, 2017 (UTC)

I have fixed Cote Ivoire and continue on Benin and the rest. Next 4 weeks however I will be off on holiday to the Philippines (where I use my trusted Globe account) and Taiwan. 

Spaces after currency symbols £ $ € Edit

In English, the language of this wiki for all pages, currency symbols £, $ and € precede the amount without a space. Look at how Microsoft Excel or web sites (including newspapers) in English-speaking countries display monetary amounts.

You wrote in an edit summary "re-installed blank between currency sign and value in tables. There it's essential. In the text I don't care".

Why do you believe that there is a need, particularly an essential one, to insert a space after currency symbols, contrary to English convention, in tables? It looks messy and unnatural, contrary to other English-speaking web sites.

NFH (talk) 11:29, October 18, 2017 (UTC)

List of roaming partners Edit

Hi Wolfbin! 

On the first, thank you for your Easter wishes. But let's get to the point: 

What do you think about addidng information about roaming partners for networks? Some users could check at whose operator can use 4G/LTE and can check, which operator in roaming country offer best performance (can check on OpenSignal, nperf or other websites). Some operators publics list of roaming parter in PDF (like Play in Poland), Excel sheet (like Orange PL) or on the website (like Plus PL and T-Mobile.pl). 

Danke und Bis später

Filip5674

Long time no see.

I do free tour guide in Akihabara area.

(http://www.otakuguide.net/)

So I would like to use your sim wikia blog information on my website.

Is it OK?

And if you are OK , I hope mutual link on your website.



Sincerely,

Folx - mobile like Spotify or netflix Edit

Hi Wolf! 

In Poland works operator called "Folx", based on subscription model (like a Spotify or Netflix). There is available for Polish people and foreigners (passport showing). The SIM is available via online and you'll receive SIM up to 15 minutes in big cities in PL. The subscription is payed by credit card (I can't find information about restrictions to foreigners credit cards). Subscrition can be managed by free aplication. Can I add this operator to Poland chapter? Does not violate the guidelines

Thanks

Filip5674


All countries Edit

Hi Wolf! 

For some reason you reversed my edits for All countries page and returned old outdated information for Transatel. What was the reason? There no no "Europe"(now "Europe Extended Zone") or "Maghreb"(now "Africa/ME") bundles. I expanded countly list from just Caribbean to full list, because they do not included all Caribbean countries and second main reason is: so other users will be able to find Transatel using search and not just reading all pages in wiki. For example if i travel to Guadeloupe, i put "Guadeloupe" is seach and see which sim cards support it, i didn't know i need to search for Caribbean.

ISRAEL - Ramy Levy and Golan TelecomEdit

They are new, too new... as it is now they are very rare and not much info on them, right now i can't find Golan prepaid info, i know they sell it but no one in my city for now have them or can tell me the price outside of promotion.

as for Ramy Levy will check it and update the Wiki when i have more info

Rolling-contracts in PL with better option than prepaids Edit

Hi Wolf! 

Now "Big 4" opt out EU roaming in prepaid plans. How about you to add Plush ABO to Plush chapter (only rolling-contract option, no 24-month contract with 15 GB (called Plush ABO L+), only for phones, mobile internet is now only available online) and Premium Mobile? Plush ABO offer better EU roaming than prepaid (2 GB in EU for free, additional 5 GB with 0.5 GB EU cap), bonus for duets (reduced 10 PLN in 2 Plush ABO L plans) and staying bonuses. Premium Mobile don't offer suarche-free EU roaming (but applies a flat suarche 0.02 PLN/MB), but offer the best offer for data (30 GB with all unlimited for 29.70 PLN for phones). These MVNOs are selling our offer in some points across Poland (map for Plush, map for Premium Mobile ). Premium Mobile offers payment by PayU website or by individual account to payment, which accept foreigner credit cards. Plush offer payment by individual account to payment or by Moje Płatności VIA points (with small commision). Many persons and websites (for example ) are saying that Plush ABO L (25 PLN rolling-contract) is the best offer on Polish market. 

Thanks! 

Filip5674

Sorry Edit

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am so sorry for what i had made about the edits of registration-free matter. I promised not to do it again.

Thank you.

Timothydemas (talk) 13:05, August 16, 2018 (UTC)

America Edit

Please could you rename the America category to Americas. There are two Americas. Where America is used in the singular in English, it usually refers to the United States of America. Type "America" into Wikipedia and you will see where it redirects. NFH (talk) 14:55, August 18, 2018 (UTC)

This is My profile page, and nobody delete it.

Prices data only prices for the 1, 3 and 7 GB 30 day plans were correct. The flow website does not have the updates prices .

162.212.211.67 23:06, January 23, 2019 (UTC)

Lifeandtimes

English typography Edit

I suggest that we consistently follow these rules with respect to typographical conventions when we are writing prices in English:


  1. The golden rule to follow is that the typographical convention is determined by the language in which one is writing, not by the country or currency about which one is writing. This is equally the case when one currency is used in multiple countries, such as EUR. See the European Union's style guide (change the language at the top right).
  2. There is an established global convention in English, reflected in the EU's style guide, that where a single character €, £ or $ is followed by an amount, there is no space. The convention is widespread and does not vary from one English-speaking country to another. We should consistently follow this convention when writing in English.
  3. When writing in English, we should always use the English typographical convention and not use the typographical convention of the language of the country we are writing about. For example, a price of EUR 7.50 in Spain should in English be written as "€7.50" and not as "7,50 €" (as in Spanish). This convention is used in English by the European Union, the European Central Bank and Wikipedia, and does not vary in English according to the country or currency about which the author is writing.
  4. ISO4217 3-letter currency codes should, according to global English convention and the EU's style guide, precede the amount with a space between the code and the amount. This applies to all currencies when writing in English, irrespective of any other convention used in the language of the country about which one is writing.
  5. ISO4217 currency codes look clumsy with a small amount, e.g. "GEL 5", because the currency code is disproportionately long compared to the amount itself. Where a country's mobile providers' English web pages use a currency symbol (e.g. ¥ for JPY, R$ for BRL, ₾ for GEL or ₹ for INR), then we should consistently use it for all prices, and if there is no clear convention in English as to whether the particular currency symbol precedes or follows the amount, then we should follow the convention used on the mobile networks' English web pages (e.g. ¥500, ₹50 or 5₾). Users can easily copy and paste the symbol from elsewhere in the country page if they do not have it on their keyboard. If the currency symbol is not used on any of the country's mobile providers' English web pages (possibly the case with ₽ for RUB) or if it is purely in the Latin alphabet (e.g. kr for DKK), then we should avoid it and instead use the currency's ISO4217 code.

I've given supporting reasons wherever possible. If you don't think any of this is reasonable, please explain why. NFH (talk) 12:43, April 16, 2019 (UTC)

Dictatorial approach Edit

The way that you are protecting a page to prevent corrections to the format of prices, after I made the above suggestion which you did not challenge, is dictatorial. If you wanted to write a guide under your sole control, then you should have created a web site rather than a wiki. When you create a wiki, you accept that others will update it and fix your mistakes. You clearly have a problem with currencies preceding amounts, because this concept is alien to your native language. But you need to accept that in English, that is how monetary amounts are written. Please do not try to rewrite the rules of others' languages, which shows a lack of respect for the language. If you run this wiki like a dictator, protecting articles because you do not like the accepted convention of the English language, then you will alienate other contributors who will get fed up with your approach and stop contributing. I have no wish to contribute to a wiki where the admin doesn't like the way that monetary amounts are written in English and enforces his own perverse view upon everyone else, contrary to established practices by the European Union, the European Central Bank, Wikipedia and countless other institutions in the English-speaking world. Your creation of this wiki and the effort you put into it is commendable, but please start behaving like an admin rather than like a dictator. NFH (talk) 10:07, April 17, 2019 (UTC)


REPLY by the admin:

This is not dictatorial behaviour. You are entitled to have your opinion, but you are not allowed to force it on others. Your profile has not been blocked and your statement above was not censored in any way. That's what they do in dictatorships.

It's not just my opinion, but the established convention supported by just about every English-speaking authority on the subject, including style guides. Undoing my valid and correct edits, particularly without prior discussion, is indeed a form of censorship. That's why I descibed your behaviour as dictatorial. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

I don't want to argue about the language issue anymore. I've asked around amongst non-English speakers and English speakers as well. The non-English speakers feel irritated by the language sign in front.

Only you. Everyone else accepts when writing English to conform to English orthographical conventions. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

A value like US$115 also lacks a good visibility of the number in a table. The English speakers don't feel irritated whether 15 Euro or euro or Euros or euro or EUR or € are expressed in front as €15, € 15 or EUR 15 in spite of following the number like 15 € or 15€ or 15 EUR.

When it's in words, e.g. 15 euro (and note that I am following the EU's s-less plural which is well-established in Ireland), it follows the amount, but where it is a symbol or code, it precedes the amount. That's the convention when writing in English. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

I have to safeguard the consistency of this wiki as admin.

Your approach is entirely inconsistent. You vary the convention from one page to another, even when writing about the same currency! NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

That's why I've protected the Latvia article for a while. You have been repeatedly changing it from 15 € to €15.

That's totally untrue. I simply removed the unconventional space between € and the amounts. When undoing my edit, you went one step further by reversing the currency and amount, which was a particularly provocative action. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

I can't allow these edit wars here.

You're the one creating an edit war, by undoing a correct edit. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

The Baltic Republics are clearly a region where the number comes first and then the currency (sign).

That's not true. The Baltic states write the currency before the amount, just like everyone else does when writing in English:
NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

I accept €12313 only in countries when it's usual to write it this way like UK, USA, Ireland, Netherlands and some others. In most places of the world, it's the other way round.

No, it's not. In other languages, it's the other way round. Please stop confusing location with language. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

In whatever way it's written or what is theoretically wrong or right, it is extremely irritating that different ways are used within one article. As most articles are updated by locals, they use the local way. A language is not a tool to force a worldwide rule for local ways to express. This wiki will keep on respecting local habits like net prices in the US etc. even if they seem unpractical for non-Americans.

I agree that we have no other option but to show prices excluding US sales tax, because the sales tax varies from state to state. But I think we both agree that it's not ideal. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

It will only break away from English where it has been proven practical to do so. For instance there are many ways to write the date DD/MM/YY or MM/DD/YY or the same in written as "from March, 23rd this has changed". Instead, this wiki follows a strict dateline of Day/Month/Year as this is the usual sequence in most countries.

Where there is more than one convention in English, you are correct to use the convention that is used by more English-speaking countries, i.e. day/month/year. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

There are some concessions for English purists who seem not able to understand the 24-hours clock esp. in the USA. That's why time is mostly in am/pm clock format. I'm open to introduce the 24-hrs clock instead as most non-English don't know how to express midnight or noon (0:00h and 12:00h, is it am or pm?) and what is (and if there is) 12am or 12pm. In reverse many non-English don't understand why 12:30am is 0:30h on the 24-hrs clock. This is another occasion when we may think of breaking away from textbook English.

In English, both 12-hour and 24-hour time are correct. I agree with you that we should use 24-hour time, because it is better understood globally. You don't need to use 12-hour time to cater for one country (the United States), which refuses (except its military) to use or understand 24-hour time. To answer your question, 00:00 (midnight) is 12am and 12:00 (midday) is 12pm, but many native English speakers get this wrong, which is another reason why your preference for 24-hour time has merit. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

This wiki gets 5,000-10,000 hits per day and you are the only reader who keeps on complaining about language and style.

That's because I have a degree in linguistics and my profession is designing client-facing international e-commerce currency trading systems, where displaying a currency and amount in a correct format for users around the world is so important. Therefore I am a subject matter expert on this. That's why I get so frustrated with stubbornness on this topic. Other contributors no doubt lack this subject matter expertise and therefore don't bother to point out these errors. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

I really try to understand all complaints or critique and find a way to go for all. And I can think about many ways to improve this wiki. But this rather ranges from content to layout. I acknowledge that you have a problem with some language here. You are free to change it to the extend, that others don't get more problems with these changes. That's why I had to put a red line.

I intend to fix these orthographical errors, not least as I note that you have not challenged any of my 5 numbered points above. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)
I note that there are several matters of orthography above on which we agree. Please listen to my on currencies and amounts, particularly as I have given you evidence of the veracity of my comments. NFH (talk) 14:17, April 17, 2019 (UTC)

Wolfbln (talk) 11:53, April 17, 2019 (UTC) admin

Portugal Edit

Hi. I was about to comment on the Portugal article to bring two recent anonymous comments to your attention, one about MEO increasing the minimum refill amount to activate EU roaming on new SIM cards from 7.50€ to 15€ and the other one about an MVNO running on MEO's network called NOWO. I can confirm MEO has indeed raised the refill amount for EU roaming. You can go to their website, scroll down and click on "abrir notas".

MarcoOne (talk) 14:24, July 18, 2019 (UTC)

to NFH Edit

I'm really sick about this discussion here which is going on for months now. I understand your point of view, but I don't think it's right. English is the common language here, but local ways should be respected. This concerns the ways too, in which prices are displayed.

My role here is an administrator or moderator and not a dictator what you have suggested. So I asked around amongst the writers and some readers of this wiki. There was a consensus that both ways should be possible: number followed by currency sign or 3-letter currency code or the other way around. English speaking contributors preferred it like $12, non-English speakers felt discomfort about reading it like this in their country and preferred it like 12 €. I think both ways can be done.

Again, we use English here, not for the sake or the beauty of the language, but as a common ground. But it has it's limits what local customs are concerned. I think as a traveller you should respect local ways. That's why I thought about a compromise to meet both demands.

In countries where prices are displayed in the English way ($#) it should be done like this. This refers to most English speaking countries, but not exclusively what you can see e.g. in the Netherlands.

You are lying about Wikitravel for instance: I've checked on a random article and found both ways within the same article. It think this is confusing and my role is to have some conformity at least within the same article.

When it comes to Spain, nobody displays prices there like you have suggested in €35 except some UK-emmigrants in a Costa del Sol bar. Please respect that both Orange and Vodafone that both care together for most of the Spanish customer base display prices like 35 € in their English ads.

The same is true for most of continental Europe. If I was to follow your demands, I'd have to say to Filip for instance, who does a great job for Poland that he has to switch all PLN values around to something like zł 500 or rather zł500 or PLN 500 or PLN500 instead of 500 PLN or 500 zł which is the local way of displaying prices. I'm not going to do that.

You have started to demand the changes for English-speaking countries and I've met them in the past. Most affected articles have been changed accordingly. Next you demanded similar changes for non-English speaking countries and I'm not going to meet them (except where it's the usual way locally) like in the Netherlands or in Japan.

I've written in the comments that this is a red line for me and I'm supported by many writers here. Nobody actually complained about the price display except of you.

As you are so unwilling to meet a compromise in this issue, you have changed back some of the edits in Spain just to have your will. You have hardly added new information to this wiki, but keep on insisting on this style issue. Last week you actually deleted information from this wiki and I gave you a last warning in the comments section of Spain. This I can't accept for the readers here and I'm going to block your profile for a while until you may have calmed down.

Wolfbln (talk) 22:08, July 28, 2019 (UTC) (admin)

Hi Wolf

On the belgium page an anonympus contributor is claiming that activation by visiting a shop can take up to a week. The contributor however does not mention at what shop he had this experience. I cannot believe that in a proximus shop they would send your registration to hq. If this would be new practice with all providers we better greylist as it means you cannot get a sim working on the go

Hi!  Can I add a page?  I am thinking about putting up a page of registration policies per country just so that users can quickly size up where they have to 'invest' more effort to bring their IDs.  Thanks!  Hybridace101 (talk) 14:10, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbin,

Thanks for your message and comments on a table of country's registration requirements.  I do not intend to spark a debate here except on providing 'legitimate' suggestions to make a subscriber be able to acquire SIM cards as easily as possible whilst at the same time not making that subscriber be caught off guard.  If the authorities of a particular country outlaw anonymous SIM cards, then we will say so.  I hope I leave the impression that if it will be up to the user to think whether it is worth going through the efforts.  

Hybridace101 (talk) 20:08, August 25, 2019 (UTC) 

EDIT: Further to my messages, I am happy to consider your suggestions for a table to the EU.  I think the trick though is to distinguish which of these are borne out of national policies and which ones are business practices of individual telcos.  Hybridace101 (talk) 20:11, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbin,

I was under the impression that this page is to invite users to consider prepaid SIM cards as an alternative to expensive roaming, especially if they come from a country that does not offer schemes similar to 'roam like at home'.  And so I thought to do that it would be helpful to give users a heads-up on what they should consider.  

I suggest we keep that registration page up but for now we don't actively promote it by putting up a link to it in the mainpage.  

On another note, one of my motivations for looking up a page like this is that at the moment, I live in a country which will exit the EU.  Judging from how a lot of EU operators treat neighbouring countries (e.g. Switzerland), the prognosis for not keeping roaming is not looking good.  I am looking to research alternatives (e.g. purchasing a SIM from another EU country) but in the process, I have uncovered some complications, exceptions, etc.  The table that I tried to develop can and should be enhanced like you said.

And on the EU roaming as it stands, I think it may need some clean-up, simplification, and amendments since it may sound a little confusing.  But I don't like to remve some valuable information.

Hybridace101 (talk) 20:53, August 25, 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbin,

Continuing our conversation last night, I was wondering if you meant we make such a table for EU roaming alternatives, especially considering that the UK could leave the EU without the deal and that the existing roaming arrangements would be affected?  Meaning we look at each country and their policies and identify providers who would likely provide the least restrictive service? Hybridace101 (talk) 17:51, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Hi Wolfbin,

Following up on our conversations, here is a sample of what I thought of a roaming matrix could look like in the future:

COUNTRY General Practices for EU Roaming with Prepaid SIMS Telco Bundle Name (if it exists) Maximum allowed data for EU Roaming per month Monthly Rate
Greece
EU data caps lower than national allowance

Cosmote

Vodafone

WIND

3 GB

3 GB

6.5 GB

€8.50

€8

€17.50

Norway
National allowances apply to EU roaming in full for most plans

Telenor

Telia

MyCall

Chilimobil

-

SMARTPLUSS

-

-

200 MB

6 GB

10 GB

10 GB

499NOK/yr

399 NOK

299 NOK

299 NOK

Finland
EU data roaming disabled for most prepaid plans
Romania
EU data caps lower than national allowance
 
EU data roaming disabled for some plans
 
Surcharges apply for some plans

Orange

Vodafone

TelekomRomania

Lycamobile

-

-

-

Ultra

5.4 GB

15.6 GB

5.33 GB

4 GB

€12

€35

€12

€8

What do you think of that? Hybridace101 (talk) 09:09, August 27, 2019 (UTC)

Sorry to say, but your table has become total nonsense now. Except of the UK there is no cap by provider on EU roaming, it's by plan/package. Again, I don't really understand what you like to compare in this table. We have 28+3 EU/EEA countries. On average they have 3-4 networks and about 10 providers. Each of the 300 providers have different plans. You can't display this all in a table.

There are three major restrictions on EU roaming under roam at home. These vary according to provider, but are mostly similar within one country: (1) domestic-only plans: no roaming offered, or severe restrictions for non-residents (2) time-based FUPs: roaming restricted after 4 months of permanent roaming (3) volume-based FUPs: this means only a certain share is given out without surcharges. In 2019 this is a minimum of 3.7 GB per €10 retail price. This quota will rise in 4 months again.

So it's totally senseless to add a table in which most numbers need to be revised in 4 months time. We have articles here that nobody touched for 2 years. So please use your time for instance to make the UK article better.

What we can do in a table or chart is to feature each EU/EEA country with its: (1) registration policy (2) validity rules (of the SIM card) (3) top-up rules (that's mostly acceptance of internatl. credit cards) (4) adoption of FUP policies in general (which policies are applied in this country)?

That's all you can squeeze into a table. Again, tables with lots of texts and over many lines should be avoided as they don't look good on the mobile editor of this wiki.

I still don't know what are you up to by comparing these offers in a table. If you look for the most GB at the lowest price all over the EU this is tricky.

The reason for this is simple. In cheap countries the providers will lose money when a major share of its customers will use it abroad. So they check consumption and implement a FUP if they think it's necessary. When you feature or highlight the cheapest offer for the EU this means that data are sold cheaper than in some more expensive countries domestically. I give you a hint: in Italy, France and possibly Spain you can get 50GB at €10, for roaming too. Voxi from the UK is pretty good for this purpose too. I wont go into detail here, but there are strings attached. The offer only has a good chance to survive when it's personalized meaning you need to purchase it on location showing your passport. As long as it's anonymous it hasn't got a chance to survive as merchants buy it and re-sell it on eBay as "EU roaming SIM". Thus effectively killing it. That's what happened with different brands within the last year. So I think your table will be overblown. You need to show some hundreds of providers and offers. We can't do a table like this. Please understand for a variety of reasons.

Regarding the China page Edit

Hi Wolfbln, 

I've gotten your message about updating the China page. I'm working on it now, though it might be slow going; the fact that rate plans can vary from province to province, and the fact that some carriers (China Unicom) have a variety of resellers with rates different from the official carrier page, and the fact that the carrier site itself seems to not want to show any rate plans but the ones the carrier wants to push the most (basically, that there are some lesser-promoted rate plans that you can only find out by going to the store and reading their information booklets) is also a complicating factor. I will do my best, and hope that others can also help wherever they can. 

Thanks for helping to keep the wiki going as well, I noticed the currency symbol edit war and can only imagine how hard that has been on you.

Jamar0303 (talk) 10:04, August 31, 2019 (UTC)


Hello again Wolfbln,

Following up on your previous reply, I'll address the points you've brought up one by one, now that I've done some research and testing.

In terms of pricing, I'm going to work from Shanghai as a base for the wiki.  Looking around on the carrier websites, it seems that pricing is either the same or gets cheaper from here, never more expensive, so it seems like a reasonable starting point. In terms of pricing patterns, the large, coastal cities are where service is most expensive, and cheaper options become available the further inland you go, where people are generally poorer. Because of the new policy of ending inter-provincial roaming and long distance, you can buy service in a cheaper province and use it in a more expensive one with no issue. There are no FUPs, all mainland usage is treated the same except for those area-specific packages mentioned (usually these days limited to "on-campus data" or "metro data", where you have a separate allowance when you are connected to a site serving a university campus or underground at metro stations and trains). The only limitation is that carriers will not ship SIMs outside the provinces they are intended for, which is irrelevant to foreign visitors who can not buy SIMs that way (for Chinese customers, to buy online they have something like the Austrian system where you verify with a photo of your ID and a selfie of you holding the ID, but not for foreigners). 

Also, as an aside, asking around the providers, in Shanghai at least, the vast majority of currently available offers are on the website; if it's not there it's either not offered anymore or it's a "campus special" offer. This means that the fact that I can only find a few offers on China Unicom is because they only offer a few plans now; they have streamlined their offerings in Shanghai down to a few plans from the wide variety of before. 

In terms of China Mobile and its newly deployed FDD-LTE, it's still very much a problem. In some informal testing done with an iPhone SE without TDD-LTE walking around downtown and suburban Shanghai, FDD-LTE would come and go while outdoors and stepping indoors or underground left me with only GSM/EDGE. If other cities are like this too, it still can't be recommended unless your phone or device has TDD-LTE. First choice would be China Telecom if you have a phone that supports their VoLTE because they are quite reliable and have lower prices, and China Unicom as the continued safe choice for everyone for people who aren't sure about VoLTE (some phones require software modification or "flashing" to support China Telecom's VoLTE, which is too complex to explain in a wiki like this).

The top-up issue is why I mentioned WeChat Pay as an option. It takes some setup (you have to do it before you leave China, set up your account with your own phone number in your home country, add your credit or debit card from your home country to get started), but once you have it set up for in app payments, you can absolutely use a Visa or MasterCard from your home country to pay for top-ups, and unlike what I previously stated, there is actually no surcharge for this. Select "Mobile Top-up" in WeChat Pay, enter your Chinese mobile number, select an amount, select your credit card as a payment method, enter your previously set WeChat Pay PIN (not your card PIN), and it's done. I found this interesting compared to how in Hong Kong, these same providers are starting to fall behind (where both China Mobile and China Unicom HK no longer accept cards from outside Hong Kong for top-ups online).

I understand about the spam, if something was accidentally removed it isn't much work to put it back. In general, I agree that those kinds of SIMs should be limited to the "all countries" page (except when there are other conditions that may make roaming an important alternative, like China). I'll also keep watch for that kind of spam when I can. 

And lastly, if you're wondering why I focused a lot of effort in the Italy page a couple of weeks back, I was looking at going on holiday there and at the same time as doing my research on that, decided to help update the wiki page as well. Some of the offers there do seem to change week by week, but I think it's reasonably current now. 

I hope that's all the concerns addressed, if this all looks good I'll proceed to overhaul the China page based on this.


Jamar0303 (talk) 15:21, September 3, 2019 (UTC)


Hello again!

I think I've added the regional pricing in my last edit of the page, and with more experimentation will firm up the section about FDD-LTE on China Mobile when I experiment further with other phones (I tried again with another phone, and it does better signal-wise; it gets Band 8 LTE indoors and relatively stable Band 3 while outdoors, however, the network congestion on Band 8 is so bad that it feels like 2G). 

I used text and not included an external link to the graphic walkthrough because that part of the app has been updated to be entirely in English since that guide was published. Even if you understand no Chinese it is possible to link a credit card and perform a top-up by the app. I didn't include the others you mentioned because Alipay charges a 3% fee and I've been told is near impossible to verify and start using without a Chinese bank card (I don't know because I verified with a Chinese bank card a long time ago), and the other one is entirely in Chinese and does not support non-Chinese bank cards at all (it even has trouble with bank cards that are from foreign banks operating in China). 

As for the roaming SIMs from HK, I'm just about ready to cut out the China Mobile and China Unicom HK sections from the China page and put them in the Hong Kong page, or at least some other page. My reason for that opinion is that without a reliable way to top up with a foreign credit card (both of them now reject non-HK issued cards) they're harder to use and people might want instead to find options from elsewhere (for example, Three HK has their roaming SIM which takes foreign credit cards for top-up, CSL does as well).

I prefer the sub-article idea but instead of just Hong Kong, list all known reasonably priced (less than US$10 or 10 € per GB?) roaming offers available for China that are easy to buy online, easy to top up online with a foreign credit card, and support the China Unicom network for maximum compatibility and network speed. So I would put the China Mobile and China Unicom HK sections back in the HK article because they are now harder to use because of the "local cards only" restriction, and instead feature offers that anyone can top up by themselves like Three, CSL, True, AIS, dtac, and possibly other operators (I'm going to do some research on what's easy to find in online shopping). If you think such a subpage should still include the China Mobile and China Unicom HK offers, then we can have those in as well, but I definitely think it's a good idea to create a new page for roaming offers and direct people there if they need something more reliable than a VPN or don't want to deal with a VPN. 

As for in-flight roaming, I wrote that without realizing that there were so many other operators. So with such a complex environment, you're right, it's not a high priority to gather those now. 

And lastly, for the Italy page, I think it's smart to take off most offers that can't be purchased without auto-pay. It's pretty inconvenient to have to set up the auto-pay agreement and then have to cancel it before you leave. The only exception I have in mind is FastWeb, because they're the only provider with Switzerland inclusive in the EU roaming allowance. As long as they take foreign credit cards, some people would probably be willing to go through the process to have that. 

Jamar0303 (talk) 18:22, September 5, 2019 (UTC)

Inflight roaming offers? Edit

One more thing I just thought of- should there be a new page for countries and providers with good inflight roaming offers? As more aircraft start installing in-flight cellular data, and some providers actually start offering this on their prepaid SIMs (DiGi in Malaysia, for example, already has a prepaid inflight roaming pass available), it might be a good idea to gather these offers so that people who might need them know where to look.

Jamar0303 (talk) 16:40, September 3, 2019 (UTC)

Puerto Rico Edit

I made a few updates and corrections to Puerto Rico's article, mostly about T-Mobile's coverage in the US Virgin Islands and Verizon roaming in the area.

Sprint's situation in Puerto Rico is a bit peculiar. Sprint's and Open Mobile's merger created a company known as PR Wireless, who changed all Open Mobile stores to Boost Mobile and also opened Sprint stores on the island. Surprisingly, it has not phased out Open Mobile's offerings but instead manages all three brands, each with their own rates and promotions. Boost Mobile stores esentially double as Open Mobile ones. You can check their plans and promotions here.  

T-Mobile's situation is a bit unusual as well. They have native coverage on the U.S. Virgin Islands but appear to have no stores. It seems their towers are only there to give native coverage to Puerto Rican and US customers.

@Wolfbin Re:"sorry topping up a SIM 12 times for 1 year of use is tedious and should be said" For a bit more context:    Prior to NBTC making a rule that any top up provide minimum 30 days of added validty, Carriers were free to issue any amount of validty they wished based on the users package.  i.e. 500 Baht top up may give 180 days on one carrier on a certain plan and 60 days with another carrier on another plan.   This was quite confusing and in fact still exists.   Topping up 500 Baht today could give 30, 90 or 120 days of validty depending your prepaid plan.    There were even top ups that granted no validity.   So, in an effort to standarize things, the 'any top up of any value grants a minimum of 30 days' rule went in effect but it does not, however, requrie only 30 days.  Thus many prepaid users need only to top up 500 Baht a few times a year.    If you are an infrequent user trying only to keep your number alive, then the cheapest way is the 5 or 10 baht per time approach.  i.e. you'd only spend 120 Baht and have 360 days added.    This is ONLY for users keeping their phone number valid when not in use - like people who travel to Thailand once a year.   Any kind of regular prepaid SIM useage has no need for the 10 Baht = 30 day trick, and hece would not be considerd tedious. 

Maybe you can help find an elegant way to word this, as what is there on the Thailand page now, is slightly inaccuate. 

Repair European page Edit

Hi Wolfbin,

Someone deletes link to Poland in European page. Can you repair this?

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